Building my own system

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I want to build my own system.

I'm a complete newb at this, so I'm not really sure where to start. I want to do this the right way, the first time, and not have to go to my wife and say "I forgot one little thing...." I had to do that already, because I didn't realize that OEM meant that I'd need to buy a fan/heat sink.

So what do I need to know?
 
If you are a complete newbie, and you want to build a low end to moderate system, you might as well stick to Dell. Their prices are fair for what they offer, and their quality is decent - not to mention they bundle in software.

If you are serious about building a computer, then there's a hell of a lot you should know about.

The essentials:

Case: Unless you want to do something special, stick to mid-tower ATX cases with no less than a 350W PSU. I prefer the ANTEC brand PSUs. If you buy a generic PSU, you'll be buying a new one in less than a year.

Processor: AMD, Intel, - whatever. Get whatever is tailored most to your needs / budget. To answer the preliminary question: No, 64 bit processing will not give you any major benefits since almost all software for regular home users is 32 bit anyhow - and it wont be changing all that soon. (That's not to say 64 bit processing is useless - just that it might be a bit over budget for you). As you mentioned, get RETAIL, unless you plan on buying the heatsink yourself. Retail also usually includes a better warranty.

Motherboard: Make sure it matches your processor and case size. Try not to accidentally buy a Micro-ATX form factor motherboard for a ATX case. The choice of the chipset may make a difference for your use, but for the everyday user, it probably doesn't make a difference. Good motherboards usually include a NIC (network interface) and sound built-in - so you wont need to spend money on a separate sound card or NIC, unless you want to setup wireless. I recommend ASUS or MSI. SOYO, though not the greatest, isn't horrible either. You can buy a newer motherboard that supports PCI Express if you want - though it's still a relatively new technology - and unless you are building a top of the line system, it isn't really necessary. (If you want a true gaming system, check out the new nForce 4 boards.)

RAM: Get whatever your motherboard supports. If you are buying dual-channel RAM, then you will need to get two sticks of the same size (ie: 2x256 or 2x512). To run dual-channel RAM, your motherboard needs to support it.

Video Card: ATI, Nvidia, etc. Those two are probably what you will want to stick with since they have the best driver support for Windows-based systems (and Nvidia for Linux - although ATI is releasing new Linux drivers soon). Those two main brands are quite comparable in performance, so ultimately it's your choice - much like the processors. Also, depending on the motherboard, watch out to see if you're buying AGP or PCI Express cards.

Sound Card: On-board sound should suffice. If not, check out a Creative Audigy 2 ZS (even though Creative are bastards) or a Turtle Beach card.

Hard Drive: Capacity is up to you. I really don't recommend anything lower than 60 GB. There are a few notes you should look out for. The first is the buffer size. Make sure you buy a hard drive with an 8 MB buffer - 2 MB just doesn't cut it anymore. Now, once again, depending on your motherboard, you have the option between SATA and IDE connections. To clarify: All motherboards support IDE, and most newer ones include SATA connections as well - the choice of what kind to buy is up to you as long as your motherboard has support for both. You wont see any significant gains from using one over the other, and you can use both a SATA and IDE drive simultaneously if you want. As far as brands go, I prefer Western Digital - as do most people I talk to. However, there are those who have had WD drives crap out on them and they prefer either Maxtor or Seagate. If you are a pro, you can look into setting up RAID - but since you say you're new at this, forget I mentioned it.

Optical Drive: Depends on your needs. It's nice to have a DVD burner, and since prices have dropped over the past year, you can get a good one for cheap. Buy an NEC 3500 for just $60 at Newegg. If you don't want to spend that much, then you can get a DVD drive for $25 or a CD-RW for around the same price.

Monitor: CRT is still cheap and high quality. LCD is expensive and high quality (depending on which on you buy). If you want to purchase quality stuff, buy a good LCD screen with a DVI connection and a 16ms or less response time.

Speakers: Your call. Though I can give input on brands if you would like - depending on the setup you want (ie: 2.1, 5.1, etc.)

Mouse & Keyboard: Your call.

Printer: Another story.

Floppy Drive: I still recommend people have these - but there are those new elitists that insist the floppy is now useless and will use USB Flash cards. Psh.

Software: Microsoft Windows XP Home for a novice who doesn't want to do anything but use the computer for playing games, browse the net, and write emails. XP Pro for someone who wants a bit more networking capabilties, but not much else. Any Linux Distro for someone that doesn't want to pay for an OS or wants much more customizability, and sometimes more functionality.
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I highly recommend buying most of your items from http://www.newegg.com if you live in the States. They have great prices, great support, and use FedEX shipping that normally ships within 3 days. When you buy at places like BestBuy, CompUSA, Fry's Electronics, etc - you might get a deal, and you might get screwed. They like to put a good markup on certain items, so you need to be careful when shopping at retailers like that.

Now, a few key notes:
  • When you are putting your motherboard into your case, make sure to properly ground it. This means, you need to use those little plastic washers between all the screws but one. Some people don't bother to do this and it doesn't make a difference. Some people don't bother to do this and their computers don't work and they can't for the love of them figure out why.
  • When you setup your hard drive, you will need to partition it. Windows XP (assuming you choose this OS) will give you the option to do that during setup. Most Linux distros do as well. I recommend that you create at least two partitions on one hard drive. Why? Well if you want to backup your files so you can easily format your computer, it makes it easier than just burning everything onto CDs or uploading to another computer. Also you can organize your files in easier ways.
  • Do not underestimate the importance of your power supply.
  • Follow the included manuals and don't try and force anything into place and you should be fine.

I'm sure there's a few things I'm forgetting. I'll add once I remember or if anyone throws them in. Good luck.
 
Thanks for the answer, J. I can't read this in detail now, so I'll probably have questions later on.

As for newegg, I've heard so much about them on this board that I'm not going anywhere else.

I'll compile my lists and upload them for people to peruse over. Right now I can say that I'm leaning towards a gigabyte mobo with an amd 2500+ processor. Although I just ran the numbers and can get a retail 2800+ for about $15 more than the hs/f-processor combo at 2500+. So I may go with that, instead.

WD's are okay, but we've been using maxtors at work. They seem to work pretty good. But if I can get a WD cheaper than a maxtor, I'll go that route. I'm not picky! There are two things I'm confining myself to: WindowsXP (maybe I'll set up a linux partition at a later date) and inexpensive. I don't want to throw a lot of money at a system and screw it up.

I could probably set up a raid, but really right now that's outside my wants & needs. I like the redundancy of a raid, but I don't have any 'mission-critical' data that requires it. I'm looking into other backup options. Right now I'm leaning towards Symantec Ghost, so that I can restore my system to a particular point. I've been running backupless for four years now, and no problems. But that can change at any time. I've been pretty lucky! :)

Anyways, I'll keep reading this until I can recite it in my sleep and touch back with questions later.
 
Before you go and purchase software, get all of your hardware first. When I first bought my ASUS P4P800 Deluxe motherboard, it came with a crapload of software, which included Norton Ghost (though I never use it), WinDVD, and others.

If you want to get XP for cheap, a student can usually buy a discounted copy from their university or from other places. The same goes for MS Office.
 
I will be transfering my XPPro license to the new system. That's going to be a headache. But I got my current system long before XP came out, and aquired the license (legally) from a friend who beta tests for Microsoft. So I have the original 98 license for the old machine (which will get rebuilt once I gather all the necessary data off of it) and the XP License for the new machine.

Open Office is good enough for me, I don't have a lot of word processing demands. Hell, I didn't even use Works to it's full capacity, and that's the 1999 version....

Not sure if the mobo comes with software. Newegg didn't say, or if they did I missed it. Should I go to the manufacturer's website? Or can I find that from newegg?

Edit: Well, I found it at their website. No ghost, but a bunch of other stuff:
Bundle Software
  • Norton Internet SecurityTM
  • Norton Anti VirusTM
  • NortonTM Personal Firewall
  • NortonTM Privacy Control
  • NortonTM Parental Control
  • NortonTM Spam Alert
GIGABYTE Windows Utility Manager
  • Adobe Acrobat Reader
  • Adobe Acrobat e-Book Reader
 
Turner_727 said:
Not sure if the mobo comes with software. Newegg didn't say, or if they did I missed it. Should I go to the manufacturer's website? Or can I find that from newegg?
Sometimes the pictures of the boxes on Newegg's site will say. Sometimes their details will say. Sometimes the manufacturer's websites will say. But from my experience, it's usually a surprise.
 
Yeah, I just edited in what I found at the gigabyte website. To be honest, I wasn't expecting s/w at all. So whatever they send is fine. I use AVG and ZoneAlarm, both work well. I can see a need for the Parental Control, but beyond that... well, if it's free, I'll take it.
 
I built my own system with the purpose of not having to buy a new computer again, but instead upgrade the system gradually. It remains to be seen if I end up with a big box with my old stuff, the plan is to sell it as I buy new stuff. Some remarks:
- some cases isn't equipped with a powersupply, you'll need to buy that separately then.
- raid can be set up to increase the read and write speed instead of redundancy. A friend of mine plans to buy 3 new HDs to his new system: 2 smaller ones in raid where he'll probably put the OS on for really quick startup times, and a 3rd for data simple storage. At least make sure your motherboard supports it so that you can do it later.
- if you buy heatsink and fan separately, make sure the heatsink fit into the motherboard. It's not just a socket issue, motherboards have slightly different designs and some of the more spacious heatsinks won't fit because of a capacitor or something like that. And why would you buy a big heatsink then? Because bigger fans can have slower speed (= noise) and still move the same amount of air (= chill).
 
Jeratain's component list seems to be complete. There are other minor things that can easily be added at a later date if you need them, eg. case fan, joypad etc.

The only comment I would make is about the processor. Whilst I agree that although most apps are 32 bit at the moment this doesn't mean that a 64 bit processor is unnecessary. The AMD Athlon 64 is quicker at 32 bit apps than a 32 bit processor of equivalent speed, probably because it is the latest CPU design.

You can get a 2800+ A64 retail for $128 at newegg which is a similar price to the AXP 2800+.

The best way for us to make recommendations is if you tell us what you will be using the system for. Will you be doing a lot of gaming, and if so what games do you like to play? An approximate budget figure would also be helpful so that people don't recommend anything too pricey. You should also realise that building your own system may take some time as you need avoid rushed decisions, plus the components you want may take some time to be in stock.
 
Budget is easy. Cheaper than buying it from MicroCenter, GlobalComputer, or Dell.

As for what I'm using it for, mostly gaming. I'm tending to be a little heavy on it now as I'm waiting for Civ4 to release the product requirements, but I think a 2500+ AthlonXP will be sufficent. The card i'm looking at is a ATI 9250SE, 128mb card.

I don't have the full specs here, and don't have the time to hunt them down, but I will post on them shortly.

I can say the Gigabyte GL-N700-L mobo with the 2500+ Althalon processor. Now I have to refigure that since I didn't calculate in the heat sink. Which puts it up to very near $130 @ newegg. So now I have to look at all my choices again. That's alright, tho, I'm having fun doing this.

I'm just hoping that the 350W p/s is enough.
 
You would be better off with a 9550SE for DX9 capability, as the 9250 only supports DX8.1. It is around $10 more. I would definitely go ATI at this level though, as the nvidia FX series is very poor with DX9.

I can't find the mobo you mention, so you will have to post a link.

A 350W psu will be fine with the system you are looking at. You only need more power if you are getting multiple optical drives, multiple hard drives and a top end graphics card.

If you are going to be mostly gaming then I would recommend a CRT monitor, providing you have the space on your desktop. LCD monitors are more expensive and cannot get close to the IQ you get with a CRT in games.
 
Does the mobo have onboard sound? Otherwise you want a soundcard.

Btw, perhaps you can recycle things from your old computer? The case, PSU (powersupply), soundcard, fans etc.
 
I can recycle the sound card, didn't even think of that. Probably a dvd drive. I have a 4x cd-burner on there (that's how old it is) but I'm not sure if it works right. Don't know if it's my system or the drive that's failing.

Might not be able to recycle anything, tho. I'll probably rebuild it and let the kids play games on it. Or make it a firewall.

The mobo I'm looking at does have onboard sound, but I'm looking to put something better in there, probably with firewire, in a year or so. Don't really need the firewire, just want it.
 
Jeratain said:
Processor: To answer the preliminary question: No, 64 bit processing will not give you any major benefits since almost all software for regular home users is 32 bit anyhow - and it wont be changing all that soon. (That's not to say 64 bit processing is useless - just that it might be a bit over budget for you).


Yeah but a 64 bit finial version of windows is suposed to be released in the first half of this year. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/howtobuy/default.mspx
 
MarineCorps said:
Yeah but a 64 bit finial version of windows is suposed to be released in the first half of this year.
I had heard that too, but didn't want to state it here without proof.

In that case I would definitely recommend that you at least consider a AMD 64 2800+ CPU.
 
Yeah. I plan on building another system soon with a AMD 64 bit for the CPU. BTW I have heard that memory chips prices are going to drop by about 30% this year.
 
Well, here it is so far, subject to change at a moment's notice:

Case:
ASPIRE X-Infinity Black ATX Mid-Tower Case with 350W Power Supply, Model"ATXB6KLW-BK/350" -RETAIL - $54.00
I like this case, I think it looks pretty cool. But I may go with something less flashier. The window in the case and the rest of the stuff on top would be wasted where I need to put it. And I'm not rearranging my front room to change it. But it looks cool.

Mobo:
GIGABYTE "GA-7N400-L" nForce2 Ultra 400 Chipset Motherboard for AMD Socket A CPU -RETAIL - $64.00
Seems to be a decent mobo. At least the other people who bought it liked it.

Processor:
AMD Athlon XP 2500+ "Barton", 55W 333 FSB, 512K Cache Processor - OEM - $85.00
Slowest processor with a decent (IMHO) upgrade path. I'd like to stay away from the Duron/Celeron line. I don't know why, but I prefer to have the Pentium/Athlon line. Oh, and is the Sempron the 'duron' 64 bit chip?

HeatSink/Fan:
Thermaltake POLO 735 Extreme 3 in 1 CPU Cooler for AMD K7 & K8 and Intel P4 processors, Model "POLO 735" -RETAIL - $32.99
Just a WAG here on what to get. Seemed to be a bit quieter than the others, according to the reviews.

RAM:
Kingston ValueRAM Dual Kits 184 Pin 512MB(256MBx2) DDR PC-3200 - $79.50
We use Kingston at work, and it seems to be pretty good memory. I've also bought crucial, and it was good two. So either of these two.

Hard Drive:
Maxtor 120GB 7200RPM IDE Hard Drive, Model 6Y120L0, OEM Drive Only
- $77.45
Okay, I know Jeritain said the 2mb buffer wasn't enough, so I'm looking into a 8mb buffer. It's gonna cost about $20 more. And the other one is a WD.

DVD Writer:
Sony Internal 16X DVD+/-RW / Double Layer Drive Black, Model DW-D22A-B2, OEM - $62.99
A deal of the day. Don't really know, but looks okay. It's a sony, at least.

Video Card:
GIGABYTE ATI RADEON 9250 Video Card, 128MB DDR, TV-Out, 8X AGP, Model "GV-R925128T" -RETAIL - $43.50
I am going to look into the 9550 card. I'd rather hvae the Dx9 compatibility.

Interestingly enough, I found this:
Mobo:
EPOX "EP-8KDA3I" NVIDIA nForce3 250 Chipset Motherboard For AMD Socket 754 CPU -RETAIL - $64.50

CPU:
AMD Athlon 64 2800+, 512KB L2 Cache, 64-bit Processor - Retail = $128.00

That's only $10.00 more upgrading from a 2500+ AthlonXP to a 2800+ Athlon64! :eek:
 
FYI the link to the XP 2500+ CPU takes you to the mobo page.

For only $10 extra you should definitely go with the A64 2800+. The performance increase will be worth a lot more than that.

The nForce 2 mobo does not seem to support SATA drives. If you go for the A64 and nForce3 mobo you can get THIS hard drive for $9 more. This one is a SATA drive and it has the 8MB buffer you need.

The case seems fine. Cases are a matter of personal taste really.

You can cross off the heatsink/fan combo if you go for the A64.

The RAM is a good brand. If you can stretch the budget then you may want to look at a 2x512MB set.
 
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