Bush begins to lose support amongst conservative core

[shortguy]

I don't get why everyone's saying bye bye now. He'll be here for another 2 1/2 years, and then he'll be gone whether his approval be 20 or 80 percent.

 

[bathsheba666]

I'm curious...

It was perfectly clear 8 years ago that Bush was a jerk.
Why does it take so many people so long to catch on?

 

[MobBoss]

Heh, you folks just dont get it. This is being done so the next republican candidate can run as the anti-bush conservative and win by a land slide.

Its all part of the big plan.

And you are falling right in to it.

MUAHAHAHAHA.

Anyway, I once again feel the need that Lincoln was also the most hated president ever while he was in office. Our opinion of him today has changed however. I will reserve judgement a few decades on Bush, but I think history will be kinder to him than you folks are here.

 

[IglooDame]

Anyway, I once again feel the need that Lincoln was also the most hated president ever while he was in office. Our opinion of him today has changed however. I will reserve judgement a few decades on Bush, but I think history will be kinder to him than you folks are here.

How about Nixon? I'd think that would be a slightly more relevant comparison than Lincoln, don't you?

 

[MobBoss]

How about Nixon? I'd think that would be a slightly more relevant comparison than Lincoln, don't you?

Actually, from what I have seen/gleaned Nixon is regarded as a decent president watergate notwithstanding. Some political historians predict that Nixon will be eventually remembered for ending the Vietnam war and going to China more than he will be for the watergate scandal. If you take out watergate, he certainly gets rated in the top half, if not the top 10%.

Only time will tell.

As for it being relavant, I dont think so. The comparison is only brought up as the media doing it views the Nixon presidency as a failed presidency and desires to paint the Bush presidency in that light. Nixon, even with watergate as a black mark, certainly wasnt a failure in office at all. Also, I dont think Bush will ever be in danger of being impeached and he certainly wont ever resign. The comparison is fairly weak I think.

 

[IglooDame]

Actually, from what I have seen/gleaned Nixon is regarded as a decent president watergate notwithstanding. Some political historians predict that Nixon will be eventually remembered for ending the Vietnam war and going to China more than he will be for the watergate scandal. If you take out watergate, he certainly gets rated in the top half, if not the top 10%.

Only time will tell.

As for it being relavant, I dont think so. The comparison is only brought up as the media doing it views the Nixon presidency as a failed presidency and desires to paint the Bush presidency in that light. Nixon, even with watergate as a black mark, certainly wasnt a failure in office at all. Also, I dont think Bush will ever be in danger of being impeached and he certainly wont ever resign. The comparison is fairly weak I think.

I suppose you're right. Nixon did indeed end our involvement in an ugly war and accomplished some good in our international relations and image, whereas Bush has done very nearly the opposite.

 

[Che Guava]

Anyway, I once again feel the need that Lincoln was also the most hated president ever while he was in office. Our opinion of him today has changed however. I will reserve judgement a few decades on Bush, but I think history will be kinder to him than you folks are here.

True, but I still don't see what (positive) legacy Bush will be leaving behind. If Iraqi society blossoms and spreads democracy all across the middle east, I'm sure he'll be hailed as a visionary, but saving that I'm not sure what people will look back fondly on...

 

[MobBoss]

I think it highly likely that he will be remembered as the man in charge when the United States experienced the worst foreign attack upon american soil since the war of 1812.

He will also be seen as the man whos tax cuts and economic reforms brought us out of a recession.

And as you say, if Afghanistan and Iraq work out even marginally well, he will be hailed as a historical shaker and mover.....decider if you will.

 

[friskymike]

the media doing it views the Nixon presidency as a failed presidency and desires to paint the Bush presidency in that light.

I really don't think the media desires this, you only have to look at the response of the traditional media to Colbert's lampooning of Bush to see that they are quite cowed by this administration - they were too scared even to laugh during Colberts speech, and then too scared to report it and show excerpts from it in the news afterwards.

The traditional media have given Bush a free pass on many, many issues, and IMHO if they had done their job properly to ask the hard questions perhaps the US wouldn't be in Iraq now, Guantanimo Bay would have been closed down long ago, etc, etc, etc...

 

[Cuivienen]

Anyway, I once again feel the need that Lincoln was also the most hated president ever while he was in office. Our opinion of him today has changed however. I will reserve judgement a few decades on Bush, but I think history will be kinder to him than you folks are here.

That honor goes to Harry Truman, actually. He had an approval rating below 30% for 26 months (mostly for firing Douglas MacArthur).

 

[De Lorimier]

On the subject of bad presidents in history, here's a very interesting article in the Rolling Stone by Princeton professor Sean Wilentz.

Link

 

[FriendlyFire]

And as you say, if Afghanistan and Iraq work out even marginally well, he will be hailed as a historical shaker and mover.....decider if you will.

Ironicly you gave credit to Nixion on vietnam and none to LBJ nor JFK ?


Bush approval ratings now 29%
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2006/05/11/bushs-approval-ratings/

 

[FriendlyFire]

Actually, from what I have seen/gleaned Nixon is regarded as a decent president watergate notwithstanding. Some political historians predict that Nixon will be eventually remembered for ending the Vietnam war and going to China more than he will be for the watergate scandal. If you take out watergate, he certainly gets rated in the top half, if not the top 10%.

Only time will tell.

Nixion also did attempt to "win" the vietnam war. He escalated bombing, as well as incursions / expansion into laos and cambidia with disaterous results. The US public were prepared to tolerate this and the high casualties as the US seek a way to disengage.

The fact that "vietnamisation" ultimitely failed to save the south. Stands in large testiment to Nixions presidenticy. Some of this of course was unavidable and some down to nixions own decisions.

Top 10% unikley but he was a bad president who did some good.

 

[MobBoss]

I really don't think the media desires this, you only have to look at the response of the traditional media to Colbert's lampooning of Bush to see that they are quite cowed by this administration - they were too scared even to laugh during Colberts speech, and then too scared to report it and show excerpts from it in the news afterwards.

You see, this is how much you have been indoctrinated into the liberal mindthink. Its actually beyond your capacity to think that they MAY have not really liked his jokes...not because they were "scared" to laugh. FYI, not everyone thinks that sort of humor funny, just like not everyone "gets" british humor.

But since you cannot break out of your liberal "programming" the only reason you can find for them not laughing...is because they are too "scared" to laugh. Thats actually pretty outlandish if you ask me.

That honor goes to Harry Truman, actually. He had an approval rating below 30% for 26 months (mostly for firing Douglas MacArthur).

Good find and I humbly submit that Truman is not seen today as a bad president at all.

 

[VoodooAce]

Yes and no. Reagan had to deal with a Democratic house, so he had to swallow the massive increase in entitlement spending that the Dems insisted on, which increased more than defense spending.

Look, the myth that dems are 'tax and spend' and republicans aren't is just that. A myth that republicans like to advance because it sounds good. Nobody is better at excuses than republicans, though.

They get power and they do the same thing the other guys do. But there's always an excuse. With Reagan we always hear that he had to deal with a dem congress. Well, W has had a republican congress and guess what? Yup.

If democrats are 'tax and spend', then republicans are 'don't tax and spend what you don't have'.

 

[bhsup]

Voodoo, that's why I'm disgusted with the Republicans now. I really don't see myself voting for them anymore unless the dramatically straighten themselves fiscally, morally, and with regards to issues of federalism. They're acting like "Democrat Lite".

 

[Inqvisitor]

Bush has never been conservative nor has he ever had "support amongst conservative core." He is just another slime politician who goes wherever he can get money and power with the least amount of effort. And pandering with lies upon lies to "conservatives" using media propaganda managed to land this absolute dunce two terms as El Presidente.

Why would he care at this point?

 

[blackheart]

He is just another slime politician who goes wherever he can get money and power with the least amount of effort.

Holy crap, I agree with Inqvisitor on something!

But back to the topic. Even though this won't likely affect Bush's length in office, it WILL affect his policies. You're not going to be able to push through as many things in Congress as you want when you don't have the popular support.

 

[The Yankee]

Voodoo, that's why I'm disgusted with the Republicans now. I really don't see myself voting for them anymore unless the dramatically straighten themselves fiscally, morally, and with regards to issues of federalism. They're acting like "Democrat Lite".

Democrat Lite? Hmm...more like Republican Heavy Duty right now. But you're right, it's a heckuva lot easier to promise reform when you have no chance to be heard on the floor of the Congress.

Still, since I don't see anything else captivating me right now, I'll be pretty likely to vote for the Democrats. Actually, this year, I don't see any Republicans that I'd like in the state or local. Might be the first time in my short voting career I just flip the switch for the entire party's slate.

I wonder if those that regularly just vote anything Republican would break out of the mold and vote for someone else.

 

[Red Stranger]

Bush begins to lose support amongst conservative core

No he hasn't. Maybe you're confusing liberal republicans with the conservative core. Not all republicans are conservative. McCain for example is very liberal.