Bush begins to lose support amongst conservative core

[Pontiuth Pilate]

Karl Marx.

Oh snap... pwned.

 

[Inqvisitor]

It's like how the saying goes, "the liebrals are giving a fish to the people everyday, but the conservatives are trying to teach people to fish. People would rather be given a fish, but it's better in the long run if they learn to fish."

You know who said that, right?
Karl Marx.

 

[VoodooAce]

The first quote is Karl Marx paraphrasing the second. So what? The quote RS used was the Karl Marx quote.

The notion put forward by RS and Inq that all of those republicans are 'liberal' is hilarious. Tom Delay?!?! Trent Lott?!?!? C'mon, now, guys!

Its this ability to only see things from one's own point of view that propogates myths like the 'liberal media'. If you actually believe that these guys aren't conservative you are basing this solely on your own perspective, not reality.

In the real world, those guys are conservative. They may lean toward the moderate side, but they do so from a conservative position.

I feel like I'm explaining to a two year old that the world doesn't revolve around them.

 

[Phlegmak]

Please explain how "all Republicans are conservative." Bush, McCain, Specter, Lott, Giuliani, DeLay, and all the republicrats in congress could not possibly be considered "conervative" outside of Sodom and Gomorrah. There has not been a conservative in federal office in decades.

What defines conservative to you then? Also, what defines liberal?

(Addressing everyone on Civfantaics) By the way, the whole neverending argument of liberal vs. conservative is basically meaningless. There are an infinite number of viewpoints. If you take Ann Coulter's viewpoint and say that there is only two points of view, which are liberal and conservative, then man, you are dead intellectually.

 

[nonconformist]

http://en.thinkexist.com/quotation/sell_a_man_a_fish-he_eats_for_a_day-teach_a_man/151465.html

 

[.Shane.]

There has not been a conservative in federal office in decades.

Amen brother! Let's bring back the Confederacy! Where do I sign up for my slaves?

 

[blackheart]

I have to disagree. Being a Democrats does not equate to being a liberal. The inverse goes for Republicans.

Name a conservative Democrat. Not a conservative-leaning Democrat who is still liberal, but an actualy conservative Democrat.

 

[MobBoss]

Name a conservative Democrat. Not a conservative-leaning Democrat who is still liberal, but an actualy conservative Democrat.

Lieberman.

 

[Inqvisitor]

http://en.thinkexist.com/quotation/sell_a_man_a_fish-he_eats_for_a_day-teach_a_man/151465.html

The very essence of that quote is different: "you ruin a wonderful business opportunity."

 

[blackheart]

Lieberman.

Debateable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Lieberman

Not that this means much, but:

Although sometimes characterized by his more liberal colleagues as a "Republicrat" or "DINO," Lieberman is viewed by others as a Democrat in the tradition of Washington Senator Henry "Scoop" Jackson, who advocated a hawkish foreign policy and a liberal domestic program and whom some consider to be an ancestor of modern neoconservatism. Lieberman has consistently received a high rating from the Americans for Democratic Action and a low rating from the American Conservative Union.

 

[Inqvisitor]

What defines conservative to you then? Also, what defines liberal?

Conservatives stand for conservative principles. Republicrats/ Neocons as I mentioned before fly with the wind toward where the money and power is.

Lieberman is one of the most vile liberals ever to reign in America.

 

[Phlegmak]

Name a conservative Democrat. Not a conservative-leaning Democrat who is still liberal, but an actualy conservative Democrat.

How about Zell Miller, nutjob Bush lover?

It doesn't matter. Democrat does not equal liberal. Republican does not equal conservative.

 

[Phlegmak]

Conservatives stand for conservative principles. Republicrats/ Neocons as I mentioned before fly with the wind toward where the money and power is.

Ug. Then let me ask the exact same question over again in a different manner.

Define conservative and define liberal. Not a person, but the ideology.

 

[downtown]

Conservatives stand for conservative principles. Republicrats/ Neocons as I mentioned before fly with the wind toward where the money and power is.

Lieberman is one of the most vile liberals ever to reign in America.

I take it you're also not a fan of say, Russ Fiengold?

 

[VoodooAce]

Lieberman isn't a conservative. He a conservative democrat. Surely we can all make the distinction.

 

[Pontiuth Pilate]

Not really. He's about as much of a Democrat as Zell Miller is, i.e. not at all.

On every big-issue bill he has voted with the Republicans. He registers as a Democrat for two reasons - 1) he's Jewish and thus less electable in a Republican primary, 2) he's from Connecticut and has a better chance there running as a Dem.

 

[MobBoss]

Lieberman is one of the most vile liberals ever to reign in America.

Whatever. At least the man had the balls to buck his own party and not endorse Clinton for being a sleaze bag the the oval office.

Not really. He's about as much of a Democrat as Zell Miller is, i.e. not at all.

On every big-issue bill he has voted with the Republicans. He registers as a Democrat for two reasons - 1) he's Jewish and thus less electable in a Republican primary, 2) he's from Connecticut and has a better chance there running as a Dem.

So, you are not a democrat unless you march lock-step in with the party line. Got it.

 

[blackheart]

So, you are not a democrat unless you march lock-step in with the party line. Got it.

That's true for any member of any political party. You're not much of a Republican if you side with the Democrats, are you?

 

[Pontiuth Pilate]

So, you are not a democrat unless you march lock-step in with the party line. Got it.

If you voted Yea on the credit-card company handout bankruptcy bill, then yes you are not a Democrat.

You can't vote in a way that contravenes the very basis of the ideals of the Democratic Party, and then say you are still a Democrat.

Lieberman needs to leave the Democratic Party, or better yet be run out of office by a primary challenger.

 

[A'AbarachAmadan]

And here I'd like to see a McCain/Lieberman ticket run against whoever the liberals and conservatives put up in the primaries.