Bush is a Good Dude

[brainpan]

Seems like a crap argument, Caesar. I don't necessarily agree with crediting Clinton for the surplus, but hinting that Clinton bears any responsiblity for debt run up before he took office is pure BS.

 

[Amin001]

I have a feeling that he is not as stupid as he looks, acts but what do i know? haha

 

[Irish Caesar]

Seems like a crap argument, Caesar. I don't necessarily agree with crediting Clinton for the surplus, but hinting that Clinton bears any responsiblity for debt run up before he took office is pure BS.

Seems like crap reading, brainpan. I'm not saluting or condemning Clinton for the budget while he was in office, merely pointing out that the government was heavily in debt during the Clinton years. Just like it was before, and just like it was after.

Surplus is in contrast to deficit, not debt.

 

[Perfection]

Seems like a crap argument, Caesar. I don't necessarily agree with crediting Clinton for the surplus, but hinting that Clinton bears any responsiblity for debt run up before he took office is pure BS.

He wasn't doin' dat.

 

[Gogf]

Offering a negative propostion doesn't explain your position, and the burden of proof is upon the one making an assertion. If you believe "Bush is a good dude," you need to explain why. It is not for me to tell you what your argument is.

Oh come on, I think it's pretty clear what my point is. I phrased it the way I did as a rhetorical device. There's no need to bring out procedural rules of discourse that are usually reserved for—the "much more civil"—discussions about religion.

But, if you must:

Bush is a "good guy" because he tries very hard to do what he thinks is best for the country.

 

[Gilder]

Bush may be a good dude, but the real question is, are you a bad enough dude to save him?

 

[brainpan]

Oh come on, I think it's pretty clear what my point is. I phrased it the way I did as a rhetorical device. There's no need to bring out procedural rules of discourse that are usually reserved for—the "much more civil"—discussions about religion.

Your point was anything but clear, and the burden of proof isn't reserved for formal debate. It's basic logic that's useful in even casual conversation.

Allow me to demonstrate: For the sake of argument, suppose a person makes a claim that leprechauns exist. When challenged to offer some evidence for their existance, he shouts "prove to me they dont!" Has he logically supported his claim? Obviously not. Has he added new information to the dialgue that would inform the disscussion? No.

Bush is a "good guy" because he tries very hard to do what he thinks is best for the country.

I think that's impossible to prove, but some could make the exact same argument for countless evil tyrants. Got anything else? Perhaps you simply intuitively believe "Bush is a good dude" as Perfection does?

 

[Red Door]

He rides the bike, or at least used to, every day. I consider exercise a good thing. He does lots of good things, in fact, he's a good man, just not a great president.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

There are several reasons I think he's a good guy:

1) He stands up for what he believes/believes in
2) I don't think he honestly is out to ruin anyone or anything. He does what he thinks is the right thing to do, both for the nation and for the world. Granted, he fudges a lot of stuff up, but then who doesn't? I can identify with him on this, I try to do the right thing or the best thing for people, but usually wind up just making it worse or causing other problems. Good intentions, bad results.
3) Having heard the man talk for what, seven years now, I can tell he's the kind of person that's just nice to be around. Even in the thick of it, he never loses that sense of humor. And it's not a mean sense of humor, its just a sort of goofy one; he's not afraid to smile.
4) For a politician, he seems to be one of the more moral ones. Before you quote me on this and shoot back, notice the first part of that sentence.

There's not a whole lot more you can honestly ask of a man. I'd be happy to sit down and talk some Football with him over a cold tall one.

 

[Alpha Killer II]

A survey shows every 29 out of 100 Americans still support Bush
part (or most) of these reasons why these scores are so low is because..
-Spying on Americans
-Lying to Congress
-Waging Illegal War
-Torturing Prisoners
-Operating Secret Prisons
-Ignoring Pre-9/11 warnings (or might have been the true man behind it)
-And there's MORE?

 

[Gogf]

Your point was anything but clear, and the burden of proof isn't reserved for formal debate. It's basic logic that's useful in even casual conversation.

Allow me to demonstrate: For the sake of argument, suppose a person makes a claim that leprechauns exist. When challenged to offer some evidence for their existance, he shouts "prove to me they dont!" Has he logically supported his claim? Obviously not. Has he added new information to the dialgue that would inform the disscussion? No.

You're taking this way too seriously. People who write, or at least write well, vary their sentence structure and don't state everything in the most distilled, matter-of-fact way. I didn't tell you to "prove that he's a bad dude," as I asked you if you thought that he was trying to harm the country. I was under the apparently false impression that you thought people were "good" if they tried to help other people.

I think that's impossible to prove

Of course it's impossible to prove. Absolute proof is never the standard in a subjective debate.

but some could make the exact same argument for countless evil tyrants. Got anything else? Perhaps you simply intuitively believe "Bush is a good dude" as Perfection does?

What makes someone an "evil" tyrant? I'm pretty sure a "good" evil tyrant would be a contradiction of terms and therefore impossible.

I would also question whether anyone seriously believes that Saddam Hussein was trying to help people other than himself and his close friends. In the case of, say, Hitler, you could definitely make the argument that he thought "racial purity" would help people. If that's true, though, then he was clearly delusional, and that opens up a huge philosophical can of worms that I don't think either of us can really adequately address.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

A survey shows every 29 out of 100 Americans still support Bush
part (or most) of these reasons why these scores are so low is because..
-Spying on Americans
-Lying to Congress
-Waging Illegal War
-Torturing Prisoners
-Operating Secret Prisons
-Ignoring Pre-9/11 warnings (or might have been the true man behind it)
-And there's MORE?

Do you even know what this thread is about?

 

[azzaman333]

Bush is a Good Dude

No, he's an idiot.

 

[Alpha Killer II]

Do you even know what this thread is about?

Im just showing how great of a man Bush is

 

[GoodEnoughForMe]

Im just showing how great of a man Bush is

How's the glass house?

 

[hossam]

i prefer a pool to a bush.

 

[brainpan]

I didn't tell you to "prove that he's a bad dude," as I asked you if you thought that he was trying to harm the country.

Which again, is you introducing a negative proposition as proof of your claim.

I was under the apparently false impression that you thought people were "good" if they tried to help other people.

I consider the act of helping others good, and your assumption to the contrary is unwarranted and fallacious. However, you didn't tell me why you thought Bush is generally a person who tries to help others.

 

[Perfection]

Your point was anything but clear, and the burden of proof isn't reserved for formal debate. It's basic logic that's useful in even casual conversation.

Allow me to demonstrate: For the sake of argument, suppose a person makes a claim that leprechauns exist. When challenged to offer some evidence for their existance, he shouts "prove to me they dont!" Has he logically supported his claim? Obviously not. Has he added new information to the dialgue that would inform the disscussion? No.

Yeah, but I think it's fairly obvious for someone who isn't a raving bush hating looney.

I think that's impossible to prove, but some could make the exact same argument for countless evil tyrants. Got anything else? Perhaps you simply intuitively believe "Bush is a good dude" as Perfection does?

Woah woah, you claim Bush is a tyrant?!

 

[Gogf]

Which again, is you introducing a negative proposition as proof of your claim.

No, it's me asking you a question.

I consider the act of helping others good, and your assumption to the contrary is unwarranted and fallacious.

I'm not sure where you get off sounding as pedantic as possible in a rather innocuous debate, but let me assure you that it will win you no friends here. I'll also take the liberty of letting you know that you come off as a sophomoric high-school student who is trying to "win" on a technicality in what should be a discussion in good faith.

Instead of having a discussion of whether Bush is actually "a good guy," I'm now being asked to rephrase everything I write into a specific formula that you like. I'm sorry, but I'm not interested in wasting my time for the amusement of a random Bush-bashing internet denizen. It's clear enough what I mean. That's all you can reasonably ask for in a discussion of this nature.

However, you didn't tell me why you thought Bush is generally a person who tries to help others.

I'm pretty sure "his country" counts as "other people."

 

[Perfection]

However, you didn't tell me why you thought Bush is generally a person who tries to help others.

So you don't think Bush is generally a person who tries to help others? That's the impression I've got of him.