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[NFP] Byzantium First Look

Discussion in 'Civ6 - General Discussions' started by bite, Sep 17, 2020.

  1. Republic of San Montuoso

    Republic of San Montuoso Prince

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    Hating people of the same religion would mechanically fit because the AI declare war on nation they hate, and Basil II would prefer to attack (hate) people of his religion.
     
  2. Andrew Johnson [FXS]

    Andrew Johnson [FXS] Chieftain

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    And by that time, you've won a religious victory already!
     
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  3. kryat

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    It sounds like Basil is a top contender for either military or religion victories. His apostles are going to start quite strong, and will get stronger as you get closer to victory. Likewise, you can get very strong CS bonuses on cavalry, and could get numerous free cav units.
     
  4. conorbebe

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    So first impressions, the Byzantines seem very strong. You could probably win a Religious Victory by accident with them whilst trying to go for Domination. I would have liked to see some economic bonuses though.

    Love the visuals for the Hippodrome district! Looks really unique and visibly distinct on the map, as it should be. Probably my second favourite behind the Cothon.

    But I agree that it's an odd choice to go with the Tagma over the Varangian Guard, as I don't really see what special connection they have to Basil II. Still, it's nice to see the Dromon return to Civ!
     
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  5. Kupe Navigator

    Kupe Navigator Prince

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    speaking of which... kinda funny how Hagia Sofia has more use with Byzantine than with Ottomans... I guess it is fitting since Byzantines built it first.
     
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  6. Zaarin

    Zaarin Chief Medical Officer, DS9

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    Well, this isn't going to be my favorite civ. :( Lovely music, though. I understand why he's wearing armor, but it feels like a missed opportunity to show off the opulence of Byzantine clothing.
     
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  7. Jewelrunna

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    Like a lot of Religious Civs in the game, yes. But Byzantium is at least in the camp that helps you get a Religion faster.
    Byzantium seems pretty strong, but dependent on the Civs in your game. If you get say, Japan, Russia, India, and the other religious powerhouses, you’ll have some trouble getting that combat strength up. But, if you don’t get the super religious Civs in your game, you’ll be able to steamroll everyone else in your game.
    I love the choice of Basil II here too. I do sorta wish that Civ tried to emulate the economic side of the Byzantines, since they were a really important trade network. But if they’re going to go all in on faith & conquest, I can understand it, and Basil II is maybe the best figurehead for that aspect of the empire.
     
  8. UWHabs

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    According to the screenshot of the leader info, it looks like the knight replacement is actually at Divine Right. I can definitely see myself 99% building a bunch of entertainment districts ready to drop in a bunch of knights to conquer. Since you probably want your religion early, they seem more like a medieval conquering civ, not an early game one.
     
  9. kotpeter

    kotpeter Chieftain

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    May I please clarify for some people around here, that you don't get +3 Combat Strength per city with religion conquered? I saw this mentioned multiple times, but it's false: you get +3 Combat Strength per every Holy City, and Holy City is a city which founded a religion, so there's only 1 such city per religion.
     
  10. Narcisse

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    My meaning is not really the towers; but the numerous big foothills too, and it was one of the wonders of medieval era.
    Too be fair, after Constantinople Fall, it was always a symbol, but no more a wonder, it was highly renoved (with the foothills), it was needed, but it's totally changed the imagery of the building. Which is more ... "piled up" now and less "pure" (in the sense of architecture, not about the religious reconversion ). Ottomans have outclassed hagia sofia, with hugier mosques with innovative and beautiful architectures. So could be fair to have Hagia Sofia as Byzantine version, the alternative version when you build it with Ottomans, and an additional Ottoman wonder, they deserve it too, imho
     
  11. blackcatatonic

    blackcatatonic Queen of Meme

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    She wasn't necessarily the best leader choice, but I still miss Theodora in her boudoir! Also preferred the design of the Civ V iteration, to be honest.

    Fingers crossed Gaul are more my cup of tea.
     
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  12. Wielki Hegemon

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    One question:
    Do we receive a free unit from Hippodrome and UA even without strategic resources needed? And is no maintenance costs from Hippodrome are also applied to strategic resources?
    BTW Crusade, Taxis, and Tagma combo will be nice :D
     
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  13. Weraptor

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    They probably wanted both him and Tamar to feel unique?
     
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  14. Andrew Johnson [FXS]

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    Any other Byzantine, perhaps, but Basil was a little more dour and plain in his outfits in comparison.
     
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  15. Josephias

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    Follows the trend of mimicking some of the leader¡s most iconic portrayals. Indeed Basils portrayal is indeed right out of this icon (plate bracelets included, altough missing the cape)

    Spoiler :


    Guess that means winged helmet, bare chest, for Amiborix, :woohoo:
     
  16. Zaarin

    Zaarin Chief Medical Officer, DS9

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    I don't miss her, but yeah, her wardrobe was spectacular.

    Me, too.

    Like I said, it's appropriate for Basil. It's just disappointing given the sumptuous nature of Byzantine dress.
     
  17. Amrunril

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    It looks like the Hippodrome wins an award for the proportionally most improved unique district over its basic version: triple the amenities and a free heavy cavalry unit (and more when you add buildings), all at the usual half cost for a unique district. And based on the discussion so far, that's not enough to make the unique district a particularly exciting part of the civ design. I think that says a lot about the balance status of the default entertainment complex.

    Overall, this is a civ where I wish they'd stayed closer to the Civ V design. Adding an additional religious belief made for a civ you could play in a huge number of different ways: 2 enhancer beliefs for faster religious spread, 2 founder beliefs for improved benefits of spread, 2 synergistic follower beliefs... That sort of customizability and replayability appeals to me a lot more than one more spin on a militaristic civ design.
     
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  18. Morningcalm

    Morningcalm Keeper of Records

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    Well, they must have picked that for the Leader Ability name since “Bulgar-slayer” doesn’t have quite the same ring to it. :p

    Good to see Byzantium being represented on land and sea both once again.
     
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  19. Weraptor

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    Yeah I would welcome bonus culture from the Hippodrome (come on) and just 1 Amenity.
     
  20. Bosque

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    Yes, and being suzerain of Yerevan would make this strategy much easier.
     

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