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Byzantium religion

Discussion in 'Strategy Section' started by Ninal, Oct 29, 2019.

  1. Ninal

    Ninal Chieftain

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    Hello everyone,

    After I managed to win eacht victory type once on Deity/Pangea/Normal speed I am now interested in experimenting with leaders that I consider a bit weak. I am now experimenting with Byzantium.

    I have forested start with Furs. I have built Stonehenge to get God of the Hunt (boosts camps) and I have built the Hanging Gardens in my Capitol. I have the opener and 3 additional Tradition policies. I settled a total of 4 cities and will keep it that way.

    It's turn 97 and I can start my religion. It's the last religion available. I was wondering how to profit most from the extra belief and I am at a loss at how to synergise my religion.

    So far I think Ceremonial Burial would be nice with all the tradition GP's. But I have no idea how to organise the rest of my religion to get the most out of it. Do any of you have any pointers or suggestions?
     
  2. KittyKat3120

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    Actually wondering which civs do you consider the weak links when compared to others?
    And likewise for the ones a tad bit stronger compared to the others?
     
  3. Ninal

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    We had a huge debate about this with two of my friends (both play at deity too). We are not quite up to date in our versions (we lack behind a few months).

    We consider the following stong:
    - Carthage, Ethiopia, Arabia, Germany, Ottomans, Songhai, Poland

    We consider the following weaker:
    - India, Austria, Indonesia, Siam,

    With most of the other civs we don't have enough experience to have a very strong opinion yet.
     
  4. Omen of Peace

    Omen of Peace Prince

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    It depends what your plans are... and where the other religions are!
    Which victory are you aiming for?
    Do you want your religion to dominate your continent? Do you want high yields but not to share them? Something that help with conquest?
    All of these lead to different choices.

    I like getting an Enhancer when I found since some are quite potent: Iconography if going for GP, Dioceses for the yields for Tall, Mendicancy for wide.

    PS: Austria is quite strong!
     
  5. Ninal

    Ninal Chieftain

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    In the end I went with:
    - God of the Hunt pantheon because I had furs and deer
    - Ceremonial Burial because I was a 4- city traditon Empire with no room to grow and wanted to focus on specialists
    - Mosques because I still believed I would have tons of faith to sink into buildings
    - Iconography for the extra GP generation

    I failed miserably though. I didn't have enough faith production to get all the religious buildings. The basilica was really expensive when I researched it and didn't generate as much faith as I had hoped for. I was also militarily invaded and defeated while I was lagging behind in, science, faith and number of cities.

    I will try again sometime soon. I am used to losing at deity :)
     
  6. ridjack

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    Austria weak? What blasphemy is this?
     
  7. Ninal

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    Okay I will rephrase: "Since I am not good enough to play Deity but still like to do so I have yet to succeed in managing a win with Austria".

    But so have my friends... In general I have less success with the late-bloomers in Vox Populi. Do you have any advice on how to beat Deity (normal speed) with Austia? I have tried a small Tradition Austria but normally get crushed early. You pretty much have no bonusses early game...
     
  8. ridjack

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    I'm not remotely qualified to comment on Deity.
     
  9. Omen of Peace

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    +50% to quest rewards (both XP and yield) is not a bad early bonus: you can get CS friends or even allies early on.
    That said, I'm only an Immortal player.
     
  10. ridjack

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    Speaking from Emperor: She's definitely not an early-game civ. You'll probably be scraping by for the first little while unless you get lucky and end up with a lot of nearby CS. Roundabout the medieval era, though, things can quickly start picking up steam as you start gathering up marriages and allies. Once you hit Statecraft's +50% CS rewards, she can really start exploding. The last time I played Austria, I wound up with 20 votes at the start of the world congress when everyone else had less than 10. Game was basically mine from then onwards.
     
  11. CrazyG

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    Austria is quite good. So long as you don't die

    On Byzantium, I think its important to pursue a big synergy. I take 2 founder beliefs much more often than 2 follower beliefs.
     
  12. Ninal

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    Inspired by @ridjack his comment I gave Austria a renewed try. After two early game disasters I managed to start a game where the stars aligned (I still need that to win at Deity). I had enough room to settle 4-5 cities and had a long mountainrange between me and the Songhai. I crippled the Russians early by taking their worker and first settler. There was a lake between me and the Japanese and marshes between me and the Inca. To the North were 6 City states relatively nearby.

    I lagged behind early game because you practically have no early game bonusses but the defensive terrain kept me alive. Than I had a Lucky streak with some really good City State quests keeping me competitive. In the meantime the Iroquis on the other side of the map were going insane! They had double my points and were 10 techs and 4 policies ahead of me.

    But as you all promised.... by the time I entered Renaisance I was taking off! With around 300% GP generation in my capitol I was able to be first in techs, policies and tourism by 1635 AD. I also had more votes than all the other 7 civs combined.

    So my 5th ever Deity win is a fact. I love being proven wrong by you guys!

    This is so true! I have started and failed at so many Austria games. But the one game where I did survive I bursted into a comfortable win later on!

    Any suggestions on combinations that are viable? So far Byzantium seems to me to be on the weak side of things. But I love to be proven wrong again! :lol:
     
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  13. LifeOfBrian

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    Ninal, I wrote this a couple of weeks ago in another thread:

    "As Byzantium I'm in no rush to found that quickly, which means I can be picky about my pantheon and I can focus a bit more on early expansion/defense. I'll take Way of the Pilgrimage as either my founding belief or my extra belief. What to take as your extra belief is a matter of discussion, but I find taking Apostolic tradition to be very effective, as your holy city can grow over 30 pop by the time you hit the Industrial era. I also use my 7th policy on the Fealty opener even if I'm not going the Fealty route, because the faith purchase discount makes the Pilgrimage tactic much more effective, plus Monastery is a very good building. As Byzantium, getting Borobodur makes the game a whole lot easier, so that's my next big goal (besides early survival and expansion). Usually that means I have to take Iconography (-1 to wonder policy requirements) to beat Egypt, Ethiopia, ...., from getting there first. After that, your goal is to maximize the amount of culture you'll get from spreading. That means you'll benefit the most from spreading against big AI cities (mostly tradition capitals) with the most followers of other religions. As for spreading to non-founders, unless you get there first (great for Apostolic tradition!), I recommend saving up for a Great prophet and spreading that way. After that, it's more or less being careful about having enough military to act as a deterrent and to protect yourself in case of a DoW and using your huge capital and extra social policies to steer you in the direction you want to."

    To this I'd add that it's not essential you get Borobodur, so it's not essential to take Iconography. But the key is to spam missionaries (for which Byzantium UA and Fealty opener are great) so you end up swimming in culture.
     
  14. ridjack

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    I love it! :D
     
  15. Thibix Magnus

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    are there cases where 2 enhancers are better than 2 founders? founder bonuses are capped while enhancers that give yields (dioceses and universalism) don't seem to be, so these enhancers (or one of these and the other to boost spread even more) would get more benefit from covering the world with your religion, but their yields seem weaker than founders.
     

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