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Calling all Civ Fanatics debaters
- Thread starter lumpthing
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Terxpahseyton
Nobody
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I'll check in too. Though at a first glance it seems sterile and confusing to be honest. But we will see.
lumpthing
generic lump
I signed up as Fairygirl. Looking forward to meaningfull discussions!
Well you're both very welcome!
Hurrah!
Could you say why? Don't hold back - honest criticism is useful.
Well you're both very welcome!
Hurrah!
Could you say why? Don't hold back - honest criticism is useful.
I look at it somewhat. As I see it, 2 real problems.
There aren't really current topics for discussion. So there's no ongoing back and forth between people.
Similar to the other point, people engage in these forums for the interaction with people as much if not more than any other reason. The format there does not encourage that.
lumpthing
generic lump
How do you mean? The topics are the questions. Or do you just mean there's not enough activity?
Again, you mean there's not enough activity? Or that having to put a question in front of everything de-personalizes the conversation so you don't feel like you're really talking to anyone? Or something else?
Thanks for the feedback anyhow. It's very useful to see yoomoot through other people's eyes.
I'm not certain what the best way to explain it is. Activity level is one thing. Forums with few participants simply do not fare well for long times because people get bored and leave. If I post a reply to a question or statement, and no one replies to me, I go looking for other things to do.
I understand your point to that format was to better organize the arguments you are finding on the net. However, the free flowing arguments at a place like this allow for (when not lost to various sidetracking) real conversations. And it is the conversations, the actual interactions between people, that get people to keep coming back to a place like this. Debate requires that interaction, no matter how disorganized it might be.
I understand your point to that format was to better organize the arguments you are finding on the net. However, the free flowing arguments at a place like this allow for (when not lost to various sidetracking) real conversations. And it is the conversations, the actual interactions between people, that get people to keep coming back to a place like this. Debate requires that interaction, no matter how disorganized it might be.
lumpthing
generic lump
Um, yeah sorry about that. It was a choice between launching now even though it doesn't work on Opera or IE or delaying the launch for possibly weeks longer (ajaxy goings-on make it time-consuming to make work on all browsers).
Yes it's very true. We always knew that achieving the "critical mass" was going to be a catch 22: can't attract new users without existing users. Unfortunately with your moots in particular I knew it was going to be a problem because there just aren't many people with a sufficiently deep understanding of economics to be able to respond to you. For example I enjoyed learning from the economics debate here but I'm just not knowledgeable enough to contribute myself.
We were hoping that there'd be enough people frustrated with the ephemeral nature of existing forums to contribute to yoomoot, but always knew it was a big gamble.
In what do you think the yoomoot format doesn't allow for real conversations? Because it's unnatural to stick a question in front of everything?
As I see your format, you have a question, and people respond to that question. But not really to each other. No give and take. So you have a question, and one or more responses to the question, which may or may not agree with one another. But not an ongoing conversation to have people clarify and defend their points, while picking apart the points of others. The free flowing conversations often end up in useless chaos on these forums. But the give and take allows all the points to be explored.
dusters
Emperor
More or less I agree with Cutlass. The inital qustion, the OP, is like a guideline to avoid going purely oftopic, but some deviations from OP to take different angles of view are most welcome Imho.
Ps.
I added Cutlass and Lumpthing as favs there to see your questions/answers
Ps.
I added Cutlass and Lumpthing as favs there to see your questions/answers
lumpthing
generic lump
If you couldn't have ongoing conversations on yoomoot and pick apart other people's arguments that would defeat the entire point of yoomoot!
If you just want someone to clarify their position on yoomoot but don't necessarily want to challenge them, you click the "ask author to clarify or change something" option. They respond by editing their "moot" (post) to make it clearer.
If you want to pick apart about what they say, you follow-up with a question and answer. So let's say someone says "Arnold Swarchenegger is the best Governor California has ever had" and I disagree with that. I'd reply "Is Arnold Swarchenegger the best governor California has ever had?" and then answer "No, because he has failed to tackle dysfunctional public services" or whatever.
Actually people are very welcome to go off-topic on yoomoot. There's no stay-on-topic guideline like there is on civfanatics.
I added Cutlass and Lumpthing as favs there to see your questions/answers
Ah I don't actually use the lumpthing account on yoomoot. My yoomoot identity is cojadate.
dusters
Emperor
Cool, I have been wondering who's that Cojadate if he's also a cofounder 
I really like the idea and quickness of replies, so yeah - I will try to advertise the site among my friends to get more people from different fields in
I really like the idea and quickness of replies, so yeah - I will try to advertise the site among my friends to get more people from different fields in
lumpthing
generic lump
I really like the idea and quickness of replies, so yeah - I will try to advertise the site among my friends to get more people from different fields in
That would be awesome! Thanks
I believe you're our first Latvian Buddhist-Satanist yoomooter
