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Cameron and Asylum Appeals

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Truronian, Aug 5, 2010.

  1. Truronian

    Truronian Quite unfamiliar Retired Moderator

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    UK politics time!

    Did anyone see Cameron on the news earlier talking about his plans to make people appealing asylum cases pay? I can't seem to find anything on it... it's worrying. At lot of asylum seekers win on appeals that they would be unable to make if there was a fee.
     
  2. ParadigmShifter

    ParadigmShifter Random Nonsense Generator

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    Hmm that's pretty bad.

    Not as bad as his "Iran has nuclear weapons" gaffe earlier today of course ;)
     
  3. bhsup

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    [Disclaimer: This is obviously an internal UK thing and not my business, so not trying to tell you guys what to do here, rather just voicing opinion]

    Very disturbing. Asylum seekers are not in any way the same as illegal invaders. If they are truly needing asylum, there's a reason behind it and you shouldn't be shackling them with monetary requirements to request asylum. For one thing, they may have had to flee with nothing but the clothes on their back.
     
  4. Quackers

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    I wonder where these Asylum seekers come from? We don't exactly border any war-torn country.

    Are there lives really that difficult that they can afford to reach the UK from Afghanistan/Iraq? Through Turkey, Europe, Calais to get here?
     
  5. tycoonist

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    Most asylum seekers spend whatever little money they have on getting to the UK. The reason we're attractive as a country is because we have links to many of the countries already from colonial times, we are a western democracy, we speak English (which many refugees will already know a little) and we have a very diverse society already.

    Asylum seekers can come for a number of reasons, not just to escape war.
     
  6. Arwon

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    Who cares? People have a right to seek asylum in a country. The fact that they may have slightly more resources and mobility than the people who don't make it that far matters not a jot.
     
  7. tycoonist

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    Are you suggesting that we should discriminate asylum selection based on wealth?
     
  8. Arwon

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    No, that's what Quakers is suggesting. I'm suggesting that we deal with the asylum claims that get made in the country, as per international law. "If they came here they must be rich" is a tricksy way of implying asylum cases aren't genuine and allows a country like Australia or the UK to shirk their responsibilities to accept asylum claims.
     
  9. tycoonist

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    Cool, glad to see we're reading from the same page. :)
     
  10. Quackers

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    Not really. It is more of a: "Britain is at war - I'll flee to Ireland or France - not fly around the world to the USA".
     
  11. Imrahil91

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    So they just pay to appeal an already processed asylum request they got declined, but still get the first request for free? Then it's not that bad. A lot of people stay in the country for many years by just appealing, becoming a big drain of money, because they can't really do anything while applying for asylum. Many asylum seekers also don't have any identification, and their home countries are very slow in helping to get that ID. On top of that a lot of people lie about their age, name, country, destroy their finger prints etc. So it can be quite hard and expensive to do a completely fair trial without any prejudices for everyone. There are so many people searching for asylum anyway, so IMO, only the ones who are little doubtful should be let in, and the others sent back fast without wasting years of their lives doing nothing. A fee would make it a little less resource draining for the authorities, but I'm afraid some will get that money in criminal ways if there are no other options.
     
  12. Arwon

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    Show some numbers on the "drain" caused by appeals and processing, or your post is meaningless.
     
  13. Patroklos

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    Ah, this is the appeal not the initial request. Nothing wrong with that.

    I get the impression that most people are seeking economic asylum, or in other words not asylum at all.
     
  14. Truronian

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    It seems he actually said that people applying for visas should be charged for appeals... still not great, but not as bad as what I thought.
     
  15. ParadigmShifter

    ParadigmShifter Random Nonsense Generator

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    VRWCAgent is now officially the most reasonable right winger on the board.
     
  16. Ayn Rand

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    That's a good question Quackers. And I can't answer that. I wonder who can?
     
  17. Arwon

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    What is that impression based on?
     
  18. Patroklos

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    A documentery on the camps at Caen.
     
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    Eh, maybe the fact that we screwed their country up, and made it impossible for them to live there means we owe them?
     
  20. Patroklos

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    We made them breed like rabbits? Colonalism or no, the simple fact is that many of those countries would still be hell holes regardless. The details might be different, but the reality the same.
     

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