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can anyone recommend me some good books to read?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by cman2010, Jan 9, 2011.

  1. GamezRule

    GamezRule Inconceivable!

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    No it didn't, it was written to promote socialism.

    "I aimed at the public's heart, and by accident I hit it in the stomach." - Upton Sinclair, referring to the book. It is also worth noting that Sinclair was a socialist.
     
  2. SKILORD

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    I know Sinclair was a Socialist, I just never considered the Jungle to be, you know, as focused on the economics as the labor conditions, and since it was set in a meat packing factory it just always struck me as more truly aimed at the stomach of the public. But hey, if you're gonna go ahead and bring up what Sinclair had to say on the what HIS book was about, I'm just going to have to concede the point here and now.
     
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    Haruki Murakami is great, I've only read his short stories, though.
     
  4. Ahovking

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    I thought the United states were a true and all powerfull nation that will last as long as great briten but after reading Einventing collapse: the Soviet example and American prospects its open my eyes and seeing how the Us is doing the same mistakes the USSR did this is an AMAZING BOOK
     
  5. Dachs

    Dachs Hero of the Soviet Union

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    A good one to avoid, then.
     
  6. Ajidica

    Ajidica High Quality Person

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    Do you remember reading the last two chapters of the book after the main character runs away? Sinclair makes the Communists out as Jesus Christ and the 12 disciples.
    With regards to the "I aimed for the heart and hit the stomach" quote, Sinclair was trying to show how wretched the working conditions are. If you can get people to admit capitalism leads to wretched working conditions and exploitations, you have at least some sympathy for Communism.
     
  7. Ahovking

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    no its not its an really eye opener all it does is show u what the Ussr did and then show u what the Us is doing, and its getting more and more similar.

    that its that attitude that will stop the Us from taking advice from nations which has been thought it before and make the same mistakes all over again
     
  8. Ajidica

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    The USSR and the US are fundamentaly different in three respects.
    1. The US is a democracy, and therefore self correcting.
    2. Our economy isn't stagnating and the US is still one of the world leaders in innovation.
    3. Our military-industrial complex isn't draining our economy as badly as it did to the soviets.

    Any attempt to use the collapse of a past empire as an example to show the collapse of a current superpower is dubious at best.
     
  9. schlaufuchs

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    I know. And for that I am deeply thankful. NOW GIT ON #NES MOAR YOU JERK!

    But Ajidica! Don't you know? Those who don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it! :rolleyes:
     
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    sigh-

    1. just because its a democracy dont mean it cant make the same mistake like printing one trillion dollars because the government needs more spending money.
    2.that is true but it doesn't mean the Us will never collapse because that is laughable.
    3.no but look at the long time effect as soon as u pull out the terrorist will began attacking the Us on its soil and ur back where u started 9/11.
     
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    I recommend Company by Max Barry.

    It's waaaay easy to reading, but the writing is something elegant. It's rather brilliant in fact how direct he gets the emotion across with so few words. It is also highly entertaining and rather funny.
     
  13. ParkCungHee

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    You forgot another key one "we're not in the 1980s."
     
  14. SKILORD

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    We only ever offer 2 Candidates for President, they generally agree on 90% of the issues and establishment political parties control their ballot access. Nuff said. Democracy? Where? Then there's the electronic counting machines that don't work. Then there's the example of the 2000 election in Florida, or 2004 in Ohio...

    Yes, our economy is stagnating. You just don't notice because of the foreign accounts balance, but this is likely to change when our credit rating downgrades.

    This is actually a good point, because Capitalism privatizes their weapons manufacture War is a much more profitable prospect in a capitalist society than it is in a centrally administered one. Way to go US, we are the greatest killers the world has ever seen, nobody had war crimes trials over OUR genocide.

    Assertations of the United State's enduring nature, and the concept that we are a historic exception, are vastly exaggerated.
     
  15. Theige

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    To what genocide are you referring to?

    We aren't any historic exception, there are numerous examples of once enormously powerful countries that are still very well off and very relevant to world politics.
     
  16. SKILORD

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    Native Americans. :p Smallpox blankets, armed gentrification, broken treaties, "relocation," all to the final sum of a totally decimated population.

    EDIT: Casinoes, i.e. "We settled out of court for that," doesn't change the fact that it happened.
     
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    Snorrius Le libre-penseur

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    Considering collapses there is a good book «The of Complex Societies» - a good study on collapses of diffrent societies and empires in general.
     
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    That book seems to pop up a lot around here for some reason. Maybe I should take a look at it to debunk it in specific terms.
     
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    "Can anyone recommend me some good books to read? "

    I can indeed!

    Cloud Atlas - David Mitchell
    Poe Must Die - Marc Olden
    The Games Afoot - David Stuart Davies
    Baphomet's Meteor - Pierre Barbet
    Gunner Cade - Cyril Judd

    Any/All of these are hugely recommended!
     
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