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Can I buy a Pad (be it iPad or Android one) and use that as mobile phone?

Discussion in 'Computer Talk' started by plarq, Dec 27, 2011.

  1. plarq

    plarq Crazy forever

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    Is it feasible and cost-effective in US? I see most mobile phone plans have phones bundled. I want to use Pad as Smartphone. Saving a Smartphone.
     
  2. J-man

    J-man Chieftain

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    I have an Ipad2 (without 3g) and can't use as a phone. You need at least a pad with 3g. another thing: I really wouldn't use my Ipad as a phone, even if I could: It's far too cumbersome.
     
  3. Mise

    Mise isle of lucy

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    Yeah, some (most?) have a microphone and a speaker, though you might want to use headphones... And yes you'll need one with a sim card slot and not just wifi.
     
  4. Maniacal

    Maniacal the green Napoleon

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    It wouldn`t make a very good mobile phone, way too big. You are probably better off seeing if you can get a pay as you go or pre-paid phone.
     
  5. Skwink

    Skwink FRIIIIIIIIIITZ

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    An iPhone would be easier to carry then an iPad.
     
  6. plarq

    plarq Crazy forever

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    I remember that I once saw a lady calling on her Samsung Pad on a side street, I think it's so cool that you can use it as a substitute of laptop and smartphone at the same time.
     
  7. mdwh

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    I do have this funny image of people walking around with brick-sided phones like the 80s - I find it odd that bigger is now seen as good, when until recently, it was an insult.

    But yes, any Nokia-like phone device will be easier to carry than an IPad (as are most of the Android media devices - there's a lot of choice in range of sizes).

    Of course netbooks/laptops also can be used as laptops and smartphones at the same time. Even less mobile is the downside. OTOH media players/pads can't duplicate everything that laptops do, they only have the same functionality of phones due to the current choice of OSs (hopefully things will get more interesting with Windows 8).
     
  8. caketastydelish

    caketastydelish In the end it doesn't even matter

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    I've never owned an iPad so I have no opinion one way or another on the product itself. However: Everyone knows that iPad 3 is coming very soon, as soon as next month (april). So if you are going to buy an iPad, it would be a mistake to buy one now. Wait for the iPad 3. They will slash the iPads 2 price and the iPad 2 will be rendered obsolete. iPad 3 will be more powerful and will have a better camera, among other things.
     
  9. mdwh

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    That applies to anything though, if you wait, the prices will fall as new devices come out.

    I don't think anyone knows anything - they think they do, but the media runs constant rumour vaporware stories hyping Apple you can't tell fact from fiction. I predict after the IPad 3 will be an IPad 4.
     
  10. Mise

    Mise isle of lucy

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    Well, that's true, but the iPad 3 is more significant than most technological announcements, because it sets the bar for other technologies to follow. The iPad is the first product in Apple's product line that makes use of its new chips. It's generally the most technologically advanced piece of hardware in the mobile world - the first device to use "next generation" chips. Most devices that come shortly before the new iPad are only marginal improvements (i.e. comparable generation, same sort of league, but a little faster overall than the current iPad) -- the new iPad tends to blow these devices away (the same is true of the iPhone). And the devices that come out shortly after the iPad are usually still in the old generation. By the time other manufacturers make next gen devices, the iPad is already 6 months old.

    So yeah, it's not really a smooth continuum of technological advancement; the iPad usually marks a step-change in technology. It puts itself in a different league to existing devices, and other manufacturers spend the next 6 months playing catch-up. The new iPad is usually the start of the next cycle, so buying just before its release pretty much guarantees you'll be paying over the odds for old hardware.
     
  11. KMRblue1027

    KMRblue1027 The Crown!

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    The estimated power of the iPad 3 is supposed to be lower then that of the PS Vita so it's not much a leap in portable tech at all.
     
  12. caketastydelish

    caketastydelish In the end it doesn't even matter

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    At least it will be more powerful than iPad 2, therefore making the iPad 2 very obsolete.

    edit: and comparing it to the vita isn't terribly fair, considering the vita is a specialty device- a device used mainly for gaming. I don't care what the other features are, because I can promise you at least 95% of the people that buy the vita will be gamers. With the iPad and Samsung Galaxy tablet among other things... that isn't the case.
     
  13. KMRblue1027

    KMRblue1027 The Crown!

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    I can see that. Vita users will be gamers for the most part so they get what they want a powerful system with somewhat limited functionality.
     
  14. Mise

    Mise isle of lucy

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    A comparison to the Vita is useless even if they could perform the same tasks. The Vita's screen is 5" and has a resolution of 960x540. The iPad 2 is 10", and assuming the iPad 3 uses a 'retina' display, will have a resolution of something like 2000x1500. So obviously, the iPad 3's framerates will be lower, even if the SoCs in both systems are identical. You can't compare the speed of two devices when they are outputting at such vastly different resolutions.

    Secondly, the Vita's SoC is the same as the iPad 2, just with 4 cores instead of 2. That's not a generational leap in processing ability - it's just throwing an extra core in there that developers may not even know how to use. If you put the same chip into the iPad 2, you probably still won't see much improvement in frame rates on it. It may even end up being worse.

    In otherwords, the Vita's performance is not a matter of technology at all. If it's faster, it's because (a) it has a lower screen resolution, and (b) it has software (i.e. games specially designed for it) that is capable of leveraging more cores.


    I want to see how the new Apple chip compares against the Tegra 3 (cf Transformer Prime) and Qualcomm's Krait SoC.
     
  15. mdwh

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    Well firstly there are x86 slates that are way ahead, though admittedly for Android devices (and until Windows 8 comes out), the OP probably isn't interested in those. But nonetheless, if you're talking about processor speed as the only thing that matters, this isn't true.

    Do you have a reference for processor comparisons, out of interest? It's hard to compare because of Apple often using slightly different CPUs. Do you also have a reference for IPad 3 specifications?

    As for the IPhone, many manufacturers put out high end phones that push the spec when they are first released. Plus, not everying cares about raw processor speed - there are many other issues. Saying Apple is way ahead is just showing your personal opinion. But even if the OP does only care about Apple, it will still always be true that waiting for the next IPad/IPhone will get him something better. Let's look at some specs:

    IPhone (June 2007): 412MHz ARM, 128MB RAM, 480x320 display, couldn't do apps, no 3G.
    Nokia 5800 (April 2008): 434MHz ARM11, 128MB RAM, 640x360 display, could do apps, 3G.
    IPhone 3G (July 2008): 412MHz ARM, 128MB RAM, 480x320 display, could do apps, 3G.

    IPhone 3GS (June 2009): ARM Cortex A8, 256MB RAM, 480x320 display.
    HTC Desire (February 2010): 1GHz Snapdragon, 576MB RAM, 800x480 display.
    Samsung Galaxy S (June 2010): ARM Corext A8, 512MB RAM, 800x480 display.
    IPhone 4 (June 2010): ARM Cortex A8, 512MB RAM, 960x640 display.
    HTC Desire S (February 2010): 1GHz Snapdragon, 768MB RAM, 800x480 display.

    So it's not really true that IPhone is the one the sets the next hardware generation, either compared to other phones, or even when just looking at IPhones. And no, don't back pedal and come up with ways on how you like the IPhone to other phones. I'm not interesting in a phone-debate which is just opinions - I'm pointing out that there isn't any kind of industry trend setting generational leap with every Apple release, when viewed objectively. Many manufacturers have their own pluses and minuses, and move the boundaries forward in various areas. If you think that each new IPhone released blowed everything away, and only Apple do that, then that's your opinion. Many people like (and buy) other phones too.

    Plus your argument doesn't change my point in any sense - it's always true if you wait, there'll be something better soon. Sure, maybe it's a point if the next device is right round the corner, but we have no idea here. When IPad 3 is out, people will go "And after IPad 3, there'll be an IPad 4!"

    ETA: Also go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_tablet_computers , look at 8" and larger, and view by Release Date. Sorry, I don't see any evidence of what you claim. IPad 2 got us 2 CPU cores, but it wasn't the first (plus you think that cores don't matter anyway). A mere month later, the ASUS Transformer and Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 upped the resolution to 1280x800, which Apple have yet to beat. Of course, I realise these charts don't show exact CPU and GPU performance comparisons, but sorry, I don't see where some new generation was ushered in with IPad 2; and I see gradual increases coming with releases from many manufacturers.

    This reads like an Apple press release :/

    I never said it was a smooth continuum. But equally, it's still true that if you wait, you get something better. Even if you are obsessed by Apple, that's still true. But for the rest of us - Apple were playing catchup too (e.g., copy/paste, video calling, voice recognition, 3G, apps). There are lots of phones out there, all pushing the boundaries in different areas (e.g., Nokia's recent 808 announcement, for camera phones) - and as I show above, I see no evidence of quantum leaps in hardware that start with each IPhone release.

    And yes, I agree that you don't want to buy "just before" - but then again, that still applies to just before the new version of any hardware that you might be getting. E.g., buying a Samsung Galaxy S just before the S2 came out.

    But do we actually have a release date? Or is the "very soon" still the "very soon honest" that we've heard rumours for about a year now?

    Assume, assume, assume. Did the OP say he must have 10"? And you're saying that an unreleased future device will be better than an existing device? That's hardly unsurprising - and that's exactly the point I'm making. Of course waiting for future devices will get you something better. If we're discussing vaporware, I'm going to tell the OP to wait for Vita 2.

    If you narrow down the category of interest to be something "just like the IPad", so any competition can be dismissed as being too different, of course the IPad will come out with no competition. But I could equally do that with the Vita - or any other tablet, or any smartphone.

    So in summary, (a) I disagree that Apple are always streets ahead in hardware with every release, (b) this is much to do with personal opinion on what things you consider important (why is it with Apple, people always have to present opinion as fact?), (c) even if the OP only cares about Apple, it's still always true that "waiting for the next release will get something better". There will always be media hype and rumour vaporware about "IPhone/IPad x+1 rumoured to follow IPhone/IPad x!"

    The free lunch is over. Processor improvements are now coming primarily in extra cores rather than making single cores go faster.

    You claim that Apple devices alone set the new standard in chip hardware, but then a counter argument is dismissed, because twice as many cores apparently isn't an improvement? By that logic, I could come up with a reason to dismiss whatever improvements the IPad 3 brings (like 2000x1500 offering no real advantages once you've already got 1200x800, on that sized device). You can't have your cake and eat it - which is it? Is it that it's the processor that's important? Or is it not so important?

    (I'm also confused that you underline and bold "2" in IPad, as if beating the latest top-of-the-line from Apple's product line is somehow not saying anything, and instead their released product is supposed to compete with unreleased vaporware from Apple. If that's the case, let's start assuming what Vita 2 will have, and compare that.)
     
  16. Mise

    Mise isle of lucy

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    More graphs here: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4216/...ance-explored-powervr-sgx543mp2-benchmarked/2

    The Xoom was Moto's flagship tablet, with a Tegra 2 processor, released in Jan 2011. The iPad 2 was released 3 months later. There is a HUGE step change in performance between the two devices, even though they were released pretty much the same time.

    The iPhone 4S has the same chip as the iPad 2, but underclocked to 800mhz. It blows the competition away:







    source: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4951/...rks-800mhz-a5-slightly-slower-gpu-than-ipad-2

    You don't see it?


    Oh and you're completely wrong to say that the only performance improvements now will come from more cores... Intel are making low-power mobile devices with a single core, and Qualcomm are sticking with dual-core SoCs, but making generational improvements to their architecture in their new Krait devices. So far, only Nvidia have committed to quad-cores on their next-gen chips. It's absolutely 100% wrong to suggest that adding more cores is how device manufacturers are ramping up performance.

    I really don't have the time or the inclination to point out all the other reasons why you're wrong. Suffice to say, I have never claimed that all Apple devices represent a technological step change. Nor have I claimed that the Vita doesn't perform better than the iPad. You seem to be arguing against an average Apple fanboy, instead of reading and understanding what I am actually saying.
     

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