Can somebody tell me why I can't "trade contact with . . .?"
- Thread starter Skinny
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Contact trading has been moved further along the tech tree. I don't recall the tech required now, but I am sure someone here will supply it. 
Masquerouge
Deity
You're missing a tech. Trading communications and maps come much much later in the game now, with navigation and... I forgot but someone else can tell I'm sure 
EDIT : well, we're two in this case
EDIT : well, we're two in this case
General Porkins
World Champ Mountain Man
Trading contacts now requires Printing Press, and trading world maps now requires Navigation. This makes exploration much more important, and gives a big advantage to seafaring civs on island maps...
LeroyJr
Chieftain
Does anyone know of the historical reasons for these changes or is it just about balance?
I have no idea what Printing Press has to do with introducing different civilizations to each other. Kind of strange that two civilizations could have embassies in my capital (established with writing) yet can't be introduced to each other until Printing Press.
As for Navigation to trade maps makes even less sense. Seems I learned Map Making a long time ago but must learn how to transverse the Ocean before I can trade this knowledge to anyone. Hmmmm. Strange that you could have two landlocked civilizations right next to each other that have to learn how to transverse the oceans in boats they cannot build or own before they can trade their maps with each other.
Seems sort of strange to me is all that they made these changes.
I have no idea what Printing Press has to do with introducing different civilizations to each other. Kind of strange that two civilizations could have embassies in my capital (established with writing) yet can't be introduced to each other until Printing Press.
As for Navigation to trade maps makes even less sense. Seems I learned Map Making a long time ago but must learn how to transverse the Ocean before I can trade this knowledge to anyone. Hmmmm. Strange that you could have two landlocked civilizations right next to each other that have to learn how to transverse the oceans in boats they cannot build or own before they can trade their maps with each other.
Seems sort of strange to me is all that they made these changes.
IIRC from beta testing, it was all about extending the "exploration" period. After all, until ~1500AD, the "Western" world had no idea the Americas existed. While in Civ3, you could know the entire map, and be in contact with all other civs, by ~2000BC!
Now, it's possible that the Explorer will actually be useful for "exploring"!
Now, it's possible that the Explorer will actually be useful for "exploring"!
TheNiceOne
Emperor
I don't know, but I believe the answer is 'both'. Although it may not seem realistic with the changes when you look at the specific techs, it is more historical that much of the world is unknown to you until late middle age. It's not very historical that all nations knew each other as well as the world in the ancient age.
Balance reasons are mostly the same. This game is partly about exploration, but the exploration was cut short by early sharing of contact and map trading. moving those to the late middle age makes the exploration more important and interesting again.
steviejay
Now in Black and White!!
it really makes the gamemore interesting now. I mean, as someone said Explorers are more useful but now Spain also has a REALLY groovy UU, the Conquistador. Also the inability to sell "contact with..." early on means when you eventualy can sell them you can get LOADS of stuff. I've not tried this yet cause I still don't have Conquests (DAMN YOU PLAY.COM!!!) but the theory behind it works out, same for world maps, their value skyrockets in C3C:
subnote- Padma, thats a rocking Santa hat you've got on your aviator
subnote- Padma, thats a rocking Santa hat you've got on your aviator
Portuguese
Vassalising Spain
Yeah, that's what CFC is: an enormous amount of ppl availabel to help you or discuss with you aspects of the game, now also in contact with the game designers. Biggest source of info and buddies to discuss CIV with. And we 2 are part of it
An Hoey to TF!
Btw, LeroyJr said them: Printing press for exchanging relations, Navigation to trade maps, what boosted Expansionistic trait a lot. Give it some thought.
Reasons: General game balancing and crafting. Many things work better this way.
PS:"subnote- Padma, thats a rocking Santa hat you've got on your aviator " > Many have this days. It's Christmas coming up to CFC
