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Can u win on MONARCH without a few wars ?

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Strategy & Tips' started by sanjay_111, Jun 14, 2008.

  1. Mesix

    Mesix One of Porg

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    I was trying to play the current HOF Major Gauntlet at Emperor level and had a very peaceful game unintentionally. Unfortunately, the required victory is Conquest!

    I was able to take an early lead by about turn 100 having eliminated my nearest opponent and building/capturing 6 cities. I was slightly ahead of all the AI players on tech up through the middle game.

    Unfortunately, Fredrick built the AP, which I was not going for since almost everyone shared a common religion and I did not want a Diplomatic (Religious) victory. That was by biggest mistake. For the rest of the game Julius Caesar was the resident of the AP and he passed a resolution to "Stop war with Mesix" everytime I declared war on anybody...even when he was at war with them too. This prevented me from ever going to war and all of the AI players from ever declaring war on me.

    Neadless to say, this was very frustrating for an attempte at a Conquest win.

    Back to the drawing board.
     
  2. brades

    brades Warlord

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    I dont believe this, I've won an emperor game with almost every leader and I really don't think I've ever done it without a war whether it defensive or offensive there has been some bloodshed in every game. I would really like to see a walkthrough or screenshots from one of the few people that claim emperor can be won without a war with normal settings on a normal sized map.

    Monarch on the other hand I have won without any wars, but even that is rare.
     
  3. r_rolo1

    r_rolo1 King of myself

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  4. Abegweit

    Abegweit Anarchist trader

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    Absolutely, you can win Emperor without wars. The War Academy contains a strategy for a peaceful culture win on deity. Of course, culture is a bit different.

    For a peaceful space win, I think you need an isolated or watery map. r_rolo's example is one of the former. As an example of the latter, I am playing the current PYL as Washington and absolutely owning the AI. When I won the Liberalism race I was 50% ahead in score and took Physics. Not that I beelined it. I already had Constitution, Music and Economics.

    I'm planning on Domination (the challenge being to conquer from a start with absolutely no production aside from the capital - and it's only mediocre). Still, Space without war would be a breeze. Far easier actually.
     
  5. Winston Hughes

    Winston Hughes Wrathful Warlock Retired Moderator

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    With good diplomacy and/or wussy neighbours, it ought to be possible on Terra as well.

    Not that I've ever tried it. :ar15:
     
  6. Abegweit

    Abegweit Anarchist trader

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    Hadn't thought about that but I'm sure you are right. The key is to be able to stake out a big empire through peaceful expansion. Portugal on Terra should be easy.
     
  7. slobberinbear

    slobberinbear Ursine Skald

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    @OP:

    The link in my signature is for a Monarch/Gandhi game. I never fought in a war that game. The key was staking out territory aggressively and building up a decent army. It also helped that the nutcases were on the other continent. :)

    Gandhi, if left alone, can do some incredible things with a Specialist Economy -- whether through wonderspamming or traditional high-food specialist cities.

    My game also featured liberal use of spies. Next time, I suggest that you have a few spies ready to go against your space rival to delay his construction efforts, since an invasion is out.
     
  8. sanjay_111

    sanjay_111 Warlord

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    I went through your entire game and absolutely LOVED it. I would love to play one like that but my skill level is a little low.

    Somehow I always get invaded quite soon and while I can now fend off invasions, it really disrupts the empire.

    I have nearly won on vanilla though even after being invaded a couple of times (missed by five turns, I am sure I can win in a couple of tries but switched to BTS now)

    PS: Since you like roleplaying, here is a suggestion for you (I will try this myself too):

    Indian civilization has been creative too. In fact, while spi / org trait of Ashoka is valid for brief periods of history, spi / philo would be valid for ENTIRE tenure of Indian civ. Same holds for spi / creative. I wish they replace Ashoka with a spi / creative leader.

    However, you can mod Gandhi to be spiritual / creative and play a culture victory game with similar constraints that you had in your earlier RP game. Victory in this must be culture victory.

    I have just learned through these forums how to mod the traits and will be trying today evening.
     

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