Can you spot it

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I'm curious if anyone can spot what I consider a blunder with the city placement blunder here. The settler is going to settle at the spot you see in the picture, if it matters.

 

I'm guessing that's a lake and you thought it was an ocean?

 

It is a lake, but that is not the right answer.

 

New York is building a fishing boat yet has no sea recources within its borders (yet) while Washington does.

 

A few problems actually.

1) You did not wait for Bronze Working to place a second city so you do not know where any Iron may be located.

2) You have settled two cities with too many water tiles around them while playing a Civ with no Naval benefits when you need only one (if any.)

3) You are about to settle a third city without a Luxury resource while you only have 3 Happiness.

4) It is Turn 55 and I see no preparations to remove Marrakech from the map. It should probably be your second or third city by early conquest.

5) Your first and second cities will have early production problems and New York will have food problems unless you get the Petra Wonder.

 

1) Waiting till bronze working is really late.
2) Sea trade routes are better than having caravans. (Internal and external). Washington will only have to start working open water after reaching size 28 or so, not really a problem. Even then he could just work more specialists
3) Founding new cities without luxuries that early is terrible.
4) Not really a problem generally, but with no other civs around you probably should (two warriors and 3-4 comp bows should be able to take it, so he really only needs 2-3 more archers)
5) New York needs Petra or is a poor spot. I don't see what productions problems he'll have, stone, hills and horses are good production tiles


From the mini map, are you too close to the city states? You would probably be better served by a coastal city near enough to Washington to send it a food ship.

 

I dunno, that you're missing out on the two bananas?

 

I like that spot, on hill next to mountain, prolly coastal access. New York is much too wet for my tastes. I hex SE would have been much better IMHO.

 

My only guess is that Morocco spawned within 9 tiles of your own starting place which isn't that rare.

Also, don't point out his problems if he isn't asking for tips

Everyone has a different approach to the game.

 

Hmm, I read OP to be asking for tips. But maybe you are correct!

 

why does that tile look like jungle gems...

 

I'd have probably placed New York three tiles to the south so it'd have sea resources right away and would get the bananas. Otherwise not much wrong. City placements aren't bad.

 

Considering that I don't have the slightest clue what you consider a "city placement blunder"...

 

Ding ding ding!

The blunder is that none of my cities or the enemies can actually get the Spices. I guess it looks exactly like the bananas next to it in this screenshot. Placing New York 1 tile to the south east to get the Spices. I'll still get the whales resource to the south in the same effort then the northern resource. Also, there is better food that 1 tile to the south and stone would have been in the first ring of city borders as well as horses.

I'm playing America so I was planning on buying the whales.

1) Not going for early war. I've had terrible luck historically so I actually rarely build Iron units until later in the game (Ren).

2) Lots of sea resources. Whales (2 by New York), Crabs (Washington) and Fish. Also the other settler is settling on Gems. Also, third city would be very well defended and next to mountain for observe. There really isn't a better place for that city if I showed you more of the map to the south.

3) Third city is on top of the gems. Also have the whales that I'm building the work boat for. 3 happiness will be ok for the short term. 1 hex south on New york and I would have Spices and Whales in my borders.

5) Your first and second cities will have early production problems and New York will have food problems unless you get the Petra Wonder.
- True, I identified the food problem in New York. 1 tile to the south is MUCH better in that regard. Otherwise, I don't see the production problems. There are a ton of hills and Stone resources.

And yes, Marocco is very close. First game ever where I found another civ in the 2nd (or third) turn of the game.

 

You'll get the spices eventually.... Even if they're not in the 3-ring. But yes, I agree that the mistake is placing New York a little too far North.

 

Those are Sea Luxuries and thus not available until Sailing + Build Workboat which makes Sea Resources much slower to utilize and therefore not as efficient as Land Resources imho.

The production problems I reference are those occurring before you develop your tiles. My play style is to focus on city sites which have solid production even prior to Tile Improvements.

I have found that neighbors that close tend to forward settle me and then DoW, unless I forward settle them in which case they DoW. As such, I prefer to be the aggressor. Additionally, Morocco tends to spam Prophets and Settlers so they are on my 'hit list' if I find them early even in a Non-Domination Game.

Perhaps the bottom line is that I chose to play a very tight early game as I play on Emperor-Deity these days.

 

Nm, didn't read city you were talking of. It is still not much of a mistake. You'll get spices anyways.

 

K. I just spent ten minutes looking at the pic before I read the thread. Are you kidding me? All that for a "I'm not getting the lux" payoff comment?!?!

Can I please get my ten minutes back?!

 

And you were expecting...what?

A game breaking strategy?

Actually overall that 1 tile make a huge difference not just that I'm missing out on a luxury.

 

Oh, it was bananas and spices? I thought it was two bananas, haha.