Canada beefs up military, again

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"If a country wants to be taken seriously in the world, it must have the capacity to act. It's that simple. Otherwise, you forfeit your right to be a player. You're the one chattering on the sideline that everyone smiles at, but no one listens to." Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper

Now typical routine for the Conservative government of Canada, yet another major announcement concerning military spending that will span the next two decades. There has already been many announcements concerning funding in all areas of the armed forces; expanding them, upgrading equipment, buying new equipment, securing northern waters, and improving on the ability to move troops quickly throughout the globe. And granted, the government has managed to increase the size of the forces and expand its operational capacity. It would be hard to deny that Stephen Harper and his generals havn't greatly improved the image of the Canadian forces either.


The Tory government announced a 20-year, multibillion-dollar plan to strengthen Canada's military, which includes the purchase of new aircraft, armoured vehicles, ships and helicopters, and a goal to expand the Forces to 100,000.

The plan will also seek to boost the strength of the regular Forces from 65,000 to 70,000 and the reserves from 24,000 to 30,000.

But this new plan sets in motion what the Conservative government envisions as a 21st century strategy for Canada or "Canada Defence First Strategy". Defence, eh? As the F-18 Hornet and other aircraft reach the end of their lifespan despite billions worth of sophisticated upgrades over the last decades, they must be replaced. The sinking submarines and falling Seaking Helicopters should have been replaced. The Grizzlys and Leopards are probably near their end of life too.

But it begs the question what exactly is the mission of the Canadian forces for the 21st century? Peacekeeping, disaster response, combat missions? I am not particularly concerned about upgrading equipment or increasing the size of the armed forces, but it really seems as though the Canadian military is moving back towards combat oriented missions so it is more capable with its American counterpart. Does the government of Canada envision a world of fierce fundamentalist extremism that must be combated over the next two decades or does it want to involve itself in peacekeeping missions, something Canada has without doubt deviated from since the early nineties.

Is Lester B. Pearson a forgotten memory in Canadian history, how he resolved a conflict in a region of the world where we see so much strife today, or has the 21st century proved that negotiation and UN Peacekeepers are not enough to stop violent conflicts that exist in the Middle East and Africa?

Spoiler :
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/05/12/canada-first.html

The Tory government announced a 20-year, multibillion-dollar plan to strengthen Canada's military, which includes the purchase of new aircraft, armoured vehicles, ships and helicopters, and a goal to expand the Forces to 100,000.

Referring to it as the "Canada First Defence Strategy," Prime Minister Stephen Harper said the long-term investments in the military could reach costs of up to $30 billion.

"If a country wants to be taken seriously in the world, it must have the capacity to act. It's that simple," Harper said Monday at the Halifax Armoury, joined by Defence Minister Peter MacKay. "Otherwise, you forfeit your right to be a player. You're the one chattering on the sideline that everyone smiles at, but no one listens to."

Much of what was announced on Monday has been revealed before by the government.

"The newest thing about this announcement is that it is a long-term plan," Harper said when asked by a reporter.

Harper said this strategy will focus on replacing some of the military's core equipment fleets, including destroyers, frigates and different types of aircraft that will end their operational life over the next 20 years.

The plan will also seek to boost the strength of the regular Forces from 65,000 to 70,000 and the reserves from 24,000 to 30,000.

"Renewal of the Canadian Forces is the most pressing priority," Harper said, adding the average age in the military is rising.

Harper said the plan will also improve surveillance of land and coastal borders, bolster support for civilian authority in the event of natural disasters, and provide security to major national events like the 2010 Olympics.

Harper said having a long-term plan for stable funding will create jobs and opportunities for tens of thousands of Canadians who work in the defence industry and communities with military bases.
 
Canada has a military to being with?

I'm also confused as to what they would do with it. Perhaps they're beginning to get worried about the permanence of US supremacy and want a way to protect their interests and aid their close neighbor as international power relations start to shift towards a more bi/multi-polar world.
 
I, for one, welcome our new Canadian overlords.
 
Canada wants to expand its military to "be taken seriously"?

Pathetic.
 
ZOMG let's all make fun of Canada!!!1111!

Canada's military has been fighting with the Americans in Afghanistan. It has taken a larger proportion of casualties (deaths/deployed soldiers) than any other contributor to ISAF, including the US.

A friend of mine is going to Kandahar in a few weeks, and a former classmate of mine lost one of his legs in Afghanistan. So maybe DNK and Frank, you should read a newspaper sometime.

I can take a joke, Tycoon's and MobBoss' were worth a chuckle. But if you want to belittle the sacrifice my former classmate and hundreds of other Canadians have made in response to an attack on American soil, is it any wonder why American "coalitions of the willing" are getting continually smaller?
 
ZOMG let's all make fun of Canada!!!1111!

Canada's military has been fighting with the Americans in Afghanistan. It has taken a larger proportion of casualties (deaths/deployed soldiers) than any other contributor to ISAF, including the US.

A friend of mine is going to Kandahar in a few weeks, and a former classmate of mine lost one of his legs in Afghanistan. So maybe DNK and Frank, you should read a newspaper sometime.

I can take a joke, Tycoon's and MobBoss' were worth a chuckle. But if you want to belittle the sacrifice my former classmate and hundreds of other Canadians have made in response to an attack on American soil, is it any wonder why American "coalitions of the willing" are getting continually smaller?

haha, i was being sarcastic, i live in canada, i know most about canada xD i'm just being sarcastic
 
Canada has a military to being with?

I'm also confused as to what they would do with it. Perhaps they're beginning to get worried about the permanence of US supremacy and want a way to protect their interests and aid their close neighbor as international power relations start to shift towards a more bi/multi-polar world.

I guess you forgot that we have the world's 2nd largest landmass?
 
True peacekeeping isn't really possible without combat-capable forces. Lester B. Pearson actually had those at his disposal.

And while I am not Conservative supporter, I would say that their increased investment has been effective. It may not have increased capabilities, but it prevented them from being drastically reduced, which was the vector we were on.

ZOMG let's all make fun of Canada!!!1111!

Canada's military has been fighting with the Americans in Afghanistan. It has taken a larger proportion of casualties (deaths/deployed soldiers) than any other contributor to ISAF, including the US.

A friend of mine is going to Kandahar in a few weeks, and a former classmate of mine lost one of his legs in Afghanistan. So maybe DNK and Frank, you should read a newspaper sometime.

I can take a joke, Tycoon's and MobBoss' were worth a chuckle. But if you want to belittle the sacrifice my former classmate and hundreds of other Canadians have made in response to an attack on American soil, is it any wonder why American "coalitions of the willing" are getting continually smaller?

An acquaintance from high school was killed in Afghanistan. Nice fellow too.
 
They need to protect their sovereignty from...
 
I guess you forgot that we have the world's 2nd largest landmass?

But are 36th in total population. I guess you'll have to use some serious burnt-earth tactics to... Oh, wait, all of your industry is right on the border of the US.

Yer screwed.
 
ZOMG let's all make fun of Canada!!!1111!

Canada's military has been fighting with the Americans in Afghanistan. It has taken a larger proportion of casualties (deaths/deployed soldiers) than any other contributor to ISAF, including the US.

A friend of mine is going to Kandahar in a few weeks, and a former classmate of mine lost one of his legs in Afghanistan. So maybe DNK and Frank, you should read a newspaper sometime.
Yeah, I've never seen one of those :rolleyes: Me dumb amerikan. Me no reed newzpappers. Wears kanida agin?

I'm sorry for your country's losses, but it was just a joke.

But I am a bit perplexed by what Canada would use it for, except as an augmentation to US efforts.
I guess you forgot that we have the world's 2nd largest landmass?
Well, it's not really contested... even by your own citizens. What's the population density of the Northwest Territories again? :p
 
But I am a bit perplexed by what Canada would use it for, except as an augmentation to US efforts.

I betcha $10 that they want to invade Sark.
 
But are 36th in total population. I guess you'll have to use some serious burnt-earth tactics to... Oh, wait, all of your industry is right on the border of the US.

Yer screwed.

I don't think you really understood my point.

If you have a lot of land, you have to have the means to project to all corners of your dominion. This is achieved with ships.. and planes... and soldiers.

Not having this capability effectively removes any claim you might have over this land.

That's why Canada needs a military, irregardless of our ability to fight off an American or Russian invasion.

DNK said:
Well, it's not really contested

Not right now.
 
I don't think you really understood my point.

If you have a lot of land, you have to have the means to project to all corners of your dominion. This is achieved with ships.. and planes... and soldiers.

Not having this capability effectively removes any claim you might have over this land.

That's why Canada needs a military, irregardless of our ability to fight off an American or Russian invasion.

"The Eskimos are invading! The Eskimos are invading! Quickly, call the Canadian mili... Aw Hell..."
 
But I am a bit perplexed by what Canada would use it for, except as an augmentation to US efforts.p

You can't really claim territory (such as possible oil fields in the Arctic) if you can't secure it, let alone know what's going on in it. We do patrols in, and have weather stations on, the most worthless piece of frozen rocks for this reason. Is there anything really gained by knowing the tempature on the north coast of Baffin Island? No. The only thing gained is a presence.

Our military, realistically, needs to do 3 things: put forth a claim in the arctic, fulfill our obligations in NATO and peacekeeping.
 
We need a larger military to help with NATO, and fulfill our peackeeping duties. And to put a larger Canadian presence in the Artic. America disputes our ownership of the seaways, and other nations routinely sail through without our knowledge(we find out afterwards) we got that tiff going on with Denmark and Russia says the North Pole is theres, even thoug Greenland and Canada are much closer.



I may dispise the Conservatives but this(and there anti crime ideas) are the only things I support.


Edit: What Augurey said
 
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