Canadian Economic Stimulus

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Hello Canadian posters. The topic of this thread is economic stimulus for Canada. Basically, this thread will look something like a massive shopping list.

The criteria for what you think the government should do can be at your own discretion. My criteria will loosely be based on long-term usefulness (not just digging ditches) and immediate effect, roughly. Other investments may not have as short-term an effect, but are direly needed, and should be included as a cooling economy would be a good time to build them with cheaper labour and materials. This is not an exhaustive list, and posters should contribute their own ideas.

Good Investments - Immediate Effect


1. Post-Secondary Education - A recession can be a great time to upgrade skills and education for the workforce. It is like an infrastructural investment, except that the shovels can hit the ground (or the pencils hit the books) immediately. This might especially be true for a place like Alberta, where some sidestepped education to enter the hot labour market sooner. Also, graduate students specifically can start research immediately, the fruits of which can stimulate the economy for years. Since they are poor, students also tend to spend every dollar they earn in the economy.

2. Military - Some Canadians like to (ignorantly) play the peacekeeping card as an excuse as to why Canada should neglect its forces. Well, folks, even peacekeeping requires a strong military, and more likely, we will want to be able to defend our waters, field a strong air capability, and have the amongst the most professional armies in the world.

Much Canadian military equipment will be produced locally, by manufacturing in Ontario, Quebec, and the Maritimes. This indirect employment would help solidify high-tech manufacturing in Canada over a 30 year time-frame. Direct employment of new hires in the Canadian forces would also put money in the hands of families who then spend their stable incomes in the local economy. I would propose a much more ambitious goal of expanding the regular forces to 100,000 and the reserves to 50,000. That is a good 40-50,000 more than presently planned.

The overall advantage of military spending is that, unlike in the States, it was direly needed for the long-term anyway, and with a cooling economy, it will be easier to attract top-notch talent now that there are fewer private sector options.

3) Efficiency Upgrades - Upgrading buildings and infrastructure to be more energy efficient will help the economy in the long-run, and can start almost immediately, with labour-intensive work.

4) Road/transit Maintenance - Maintain and fix existing crumbling infrastructure, particularly in a place like Quebec which tends to be farther along in terms of aging infrastructure. The advantage of these sorts of projects is that they can start almost immediately and could re-employ lots of blue-collar workers with years of experience.


Good Investments - Not an Immediate Effect


1) Mass transit - Inter-Urban Rail - In terms of long-term usefulness, this is about the best investment that can be made. There should be a massive, national transit/land-use strategy. Every single major Canadian city should undergo a largescale transit upgrade, with an overall plan to feed into commuter rail systems, and ultimately, higher-order high-speed inter-urban rail (where appropriate). Even smaller cities are excellent candidates for LRT/mass transit, especially where they may lie on a future high speed rail corridor. These sorts of small centres will experience large-scale growth once travel times to major centres like Toronto or Montreal could be shorter than for those cities' own suburbs. By having the mass transit in before the growth, the type of growth/land use can be influenced, rather than responded to.

The only problem with these investments is that they take years of planning, and couldn't be started immediately. However, the advantageous labour/materials situation should still exist when they are ready to go in 3 years time, they will employ huge numbers of people in good jobs, and they will lay out a new, more efficient, and more desirable Canada.
 
4) Road/transit Maintenance - Maintain and fix existing crumbling infrastructure, particularly in a place like Quebec which tends to be farther along in terms of aging infrastructure. The advantage of these sorts of projects is that they can start almost immediately and could re-employ lots of blue-collar workers with years of experience.

Turn the Trans-Canada into a full, federally supported, freeway system. Not unlike the Interstate system to the south of us.
 
Turn the Trans-Canada into a full, federally supported, freeway system. Not unlike the Interstate system to the south of us.

I would support improving the Trans-Canada. There are atrocious stretches in western Canada. Every summer there are semis flying off the road in BC wiping out whole families. Although the Trans-Canada will be more like the mass transit projects. It will take much more planning than just repaving and fixing.

I would say though that I would be wary of dumping money into too many road projects, the way they plan on doing in the states. We need to really think about what kind of urban structure we want in the long term. Building lots of ring roads and freeways may be counter-productive in the long-term.
 
I would support improving the Trans-Canada. There are atrocious stretches in western Canada. Every summer there are semis flying off the road in BC wiping out whole families. Although the Trans-Canada will be more like the mass transit projects. It will take much more planning than just repaving and fixing.

I would say though that I would be wary of dumping money into too many road projects, the way they plan on doing in the states. We need to really think about what kind of urban structure we want in the long term. Building lots of ring roads and freeways may be counter-productive in the long-term.

I was thinking more along the lines of the rural stretches that are rather embarrassing. For instance, the Trans-Canada stretch near Thunder Bay, ON is just pathetic. There's city roads here that are better designed. But no, it shouldn't be a purely make-work project and should only be done in urban areas with an augmentation of mass transit investment.
 
I was thinking more along the lines of the rural stretches that are rather embarrassing. For instance, the Trans-Canada stretch near Thunder Bay, ON is just pathetic. There's city roads here that are better designed. But no, it shouldn't be a purely make-work project and should only be done in urban areas with an augmentation of mass transit investment.

I think the two biggest problem areas are through Manitoba and into western Ontario, and through interior BC. Around Winnipeg is where those two cyclists got wasted last summer, because there was no freaking shoulder! What kind of a national highway has no freaking shoulder!
 
1) Mass transit - Inter-Urban Rail - In terms of long-term usefulness, this is about the best investment that can be made. There should be a massive, national transit/land-use strategy. Every single major Canadian city should undergo a largescale transit upgrade, with an overall plan to feed into commuter rail systems, and ultimately, higher-order high-speed inter-urban rail (where appropriate). Even smaller cities are excellent candidates for LRT/mass transit, especially where they may lie on a future high speed rail corridor.

Just build that (...) high speed rail corridor from Windsor to Quebec already, dammit :p
 
I was thinking more along the lines of the rural stretches that are rather embarrassing. For instance, the Trans-Canada stretch near Thunder Bay, ON is just pathetic. There's city roads here that are better designed. But no, it shouldn't be a purely make-work project and should only be done in urban areas with an augmentation of mass transit investment.

I can see the Trans-Canada from my apartment window, and it has traffic lights on it. Seriously, how hard could it have been to put regular onramps/offramps?
 
OH, I got another one!

A brand-spanking-freaking-new hockey arena for Quebec City! 18,000 seats, lots of boxes, NHL standards...
 
Things I really want to see around these parts:

1. A high-speed train link between Windsor and Montreal (and maybe Quebec City). This would allow people to work in Toronto, Ottawa, or Montreal, and commute from further parts of the country (like London!)

Actually, that's pretty much it. My other requests would have been local.
 
Things I really want to see around these parts:

1. A high-speed train link between Windsor and Montreal (and maybe Quebec City). This would allow people to work in Toronto, Ottawa, or Montreal, and commute from further parts of the country (like London!)

Actually, that's pretty much it. My other requests would have been local.

Which is perfectly fine! Are you in London? London is ripe for LRT.
 
#1 - Improved mass transit in our cities. The most neglected area of infrastructure by far.

#2 - Improved intercity rail in the Windsor-Quebec corridors and between all major urban centres in BC and Alberta. NS-NB should also be a serious consideration.

#3 - More power generation facilities, especially nuclear ( :mischief: ). Seriously though, we are grossly behind in this area too.
 
Which is perfectly fine! Are you in London? London is ripe for LRT.

Yeah, I am.

We very badly need a ring road around this city.. Not to mention better transit service, AND to somehow get all those railroad crossings out of our downtown.
 
I can see the Trans-Canada from my apartment window, and it has traffic lights on it. Seriously, how hard could it have been to put regular onramps/offramps?

:thumbsup: Great point. The Trans-Canada should be a freeway. Or at least having less stupid traffic lights.

I'm also in support of more mass rapid transit. Almost all of our cities are desperately in need of it.
 
Last time I was in Toronto (couple weeks ago, returning from Chile), I saw a buncha posters advertising a lot of new LRT routes.

I didn't have time to investigate, but it looked like they were converting certain streetcar routes into dedicated LRT lines.

Anybody know more about this? It looks like their alternative to building more subway lines.
 
Last time I was in Toronto (couple weeks ago, returning from Chile), I saw a buncha posters advertising a lot of new LRT routes.

I didn't have time to investigate, but it looked like they were converting certain streetcar routes into dedicated LRT lines.

Anybody know more about this? It looks like their alternative to building more subway lines.

It is called Transit-City, and no it doesn't involve converting existing streetcar lines, it involves building all new "LRT" lines along important routes presently mostly by bus. In fact, the new routes may add up to 3 times or more the length of the present C-Train in Calgary.

My only worry is that they will be slow, low-capacity "LRT" like on Spagina and on St. Clair, rather than a more subway-like "LRT" as in Calgary/Edmonton.
 
So the buses that currently operate on these routes will be disbanded?

Rushour is horrible in Toronto.. Is this going to make it worse?

Well, I am sure there will be lots of re-routing, but I don't know about disbandment. I doubt they are anywhere close to that level of planning yet (new bus routes). My point was simply that no, they are not upgrading streetcar routes, they are creating entirely new routes that are not served by anything higher-order than buses.

Places like Eglinton Ave, Jane St., Don Mills Rd, Finch etc.
 
Cheaper, post secondary education. More spent on each student by the government.
 
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