I don't think Jason Kenney has ever understood his part in Justin winning that election.
I still haven't bothered to find out who the local candidates are.
Canadian Federal Election coming on September 20.
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I still haven't bothered to find out who the local candidates are.
AmtrakQuebec
King
So, I did my training this morning for the Returns Officer and Counter. I actually didn't realize I got paid for this, I was volunteering but I guess I'll get some money anyway. I'm definitely having fun already since the one hot woman sat down beside me and we chatted quite a bit... turns out we'll be working in the same location and she is going to the same Uni where I did my undergraduate work and now we have a date for next FridayDeputy Returning Officer or Poll Clerk?
The first could give you laryngitis by the end of the night, and the second could give you writer's cramp (if your voting station happens to be one of the busy ones).
Don't let the scrutineers boss you around. They usually try to whittle out more information than they're actually entitled to.
Bring lunch, supper, and snacks, make sure you have coffee, tea, juice, or whatever, and something to read during the downtime. I once made the mistake of going to vote on the way home (provincial election; I've only worked municipal and federal) after I'd picked up a pizza for my supper, and since I was on foot there was nowhere I could leave it before going in. I never saw 10 people perk up so fast, and of course I had to tell them they couldn't have any.
Also bring your sense of humor. The election itself is a grim thing, but there are times when a sense of humor at the polling station helps. We needed this in the election of '93 when EC shorted us on supplies (only half the name tags we needed, among other things). It was lucky that I happened to bring a roll of masking tape with me to get the cat hair off my clothes; I hadn't had time to do that at home, so I just tossed the tape into my bag of stuff. We ended up using some of it so the workers could tear off strips of tape, write their names and positions on them, and stick them to their shirts.
Finally... have fun!It's a long day, some of it's insanely busy, some is very quiet, but you'll meet new people and have an interesting experience. And of course it's extra money in your pocket.
I did learn one interesting thing that I was unaware of... apparently you can use expired ID to vote just so long as it has your current address on it. Man, the US Republicans would probably lose their minds just at the thought of it. They also had an electronic voting booth setup at the training centre so I actually voted as well.
You didn't know you'd get paid?So, I did my training this morning for the Returns Officer and Counter. I actually didn't realize I got paid for this, I was volunteering but I guess I'll get some money anyway. I'm definitely having fun already since the one hot woman sat down beside me and we chatted quite a bit... turns out we'll be working in the same location and she is going to the same Uni where I did my undergraduate work and now we have a date for next Friday
That's why a lot of people do it. It's a decent amount of money for a 2-hour training session and 12-14 hours of work that's mostly sitting around all day. Back in 1993, when I first did federal, the pay was $125 for Election Day, $25 for the training, and $9.50/hour if you worked in the Returning Office and/or were a Revising Agent (trotting around to people's homes, updating the voter's list in neighborhoods where there had been a lot of people moving in and out since the last election - mostly apartment buildings). I'm guessing the pay is better than that now.
To the best of my knowledge, it's the scrutineers who are volunteers. I have no experience with that; I've never been a scrutineer.
Congratulations on the date!
IDs are an iffy thing for people who have moved, or people who fall through some of the cracks. In my own situation, I have never had either a driver's license or passport, but I do have an ALCB card. Some places don't accept it since they don't consider it valid (liquor sales were privatized in Alberta years ago). But I push it through with Elections Canada because it's government-issued ID, it has my name and proof of age on it, and even though it was taken 34 years ago, I still look like my photo.
But I always take a couple of other items from Harper's Holy List of 39 IDs. It's why I've insisted on paper bills from the telecom and have used other things like my current lease or AISH card (also government-issued). I haven't checked the mail yet to see if my VIC arrived.
First step is taken to apply for an in-home special ballot. Hopefully the Returning Officer is a reasonable person.
Joij21
🔥Deny, Defend, Depose!🔥
I vote based on how much a politician will rain down vengeance upon my enemies. None of it has anything to do with wether or not they benefit me, because in most elections neither candidate is capable of that.
Case in point, I only voted for Trump because I knew he would piss off some people I was really annoyed with.
Well, that certainly explains a lot about your posting. Voting only to inflict pain upon those you don't like tells us more than we probably ought to know about you.
Thanks for helping to piss off people in every country on this continent.
By voting Trump, you bear some responsibility for him getting into office and signing the executive orders that resulted in all those thousands of people from Muslim and Central American countries who crossed into Canada on foot, as asylum seekers. At lease one of them died (a Manitoba farmer had an unpleasant surprise when he found her body in a ditch on his farm in the spring; she'd frozen to death), and several lost body parts due to frostbite. Granted, they weren't dressed for wandering around in the forest in the middle of winter, but they wouldn't have been there at all if Trump hadn't made them afraid to stay in the U.S.Trumpism has infested Canadian politics to the point of people in my province wearing MAGA hats (they say it stands for "Make Alberta Great Again"). All that "Lock her up!" BS directed at Hilary Clinton? Some of the right-wing supporters threw that at Rachel Notley, the NDP leader in my province. One of their own leaders (Brian Jean of the Wild Rose party) just stood there grinning, instead of making even a tiny attempt to enforce civility.
Anyway... my application for an in-home special ballot went through, and I vote at home tomorrow. I've been rounding up pieces of ID, and my VIC arrived. The address is correct, my name is spelled right, and I looked up the candidate's name on the EC website last night. Now all I need is a pencil and I'm good to go tomorrow morning (well, except for locking Maddy in the room here; one of the EC workers is allergic to cats).
There won't even be any argument over reading the candidates' list to me and insisting on me telling them who I'm voting for so they can write for me. I explained to the woman at the Returning Office that it makes no sense to assume someone is incapable of writing and insisting on doing it for them if they're going to turn around and ask the voter to sign the envelope. If I'm deemed capable of signing my name, I should be capable of writing down the candidate's name.
She agreed with me that a secret ballot is something everyone is entitled to, and understood that I don't object to anyone having the list read to them and EC workers writing for them if they ask for that. But to put everyone in the same basket of disabilities is just wrong.
So after tomorrow I can relax for awhile until election night; I will have done my part in voting. I do continue to advocate for disabled voters' rights on the CBC news site, though.
A data point that should be noted, since I know Canada suffers from a lot of the same misguided NIMBYism that afflicts the States and Australia.
A common refrain is that Housing isn't supply and demand-driven, because hey there is already so much building. Clearly building magically makes prices go up, because moon logic.
In reality, there are massive shortfalls of building, and the ratio of Population Growth, to New Homes built is getting worse.
All the 'soak the investors' policy will do nothing, or chip away at the edges. Canada just needs to build denser accommodations, from townhouses and duplex/triplexs up to more big apartment buildings. You can't get out with endless sprawl into the wilderness.
A common refrain is that Housing isn't supply and demand-driven, because hey there is already so much building. Clearly building magically makes prices go up, because moon logic.
In reality, there are massive shortfalls of building, and the ratio of Population Growth, to New Homes built is getting worse.
All the 'soak the investors' policy will do nothing, or chip away at the edges. Canada just needs to build denser accommodations, from townhouses and duplex/triplexs up to more big apartment buildings. You can't get out with endless sprawl into the wilderness.
Townhouses and duplexes aren't disabled-accessible. There's a huge need for that sort of housing.A data point that should be noted, since I know Canada suffers from a lot of the same misguided NIMBYism that afflicts the States and Australia.
A common refrain is that Housing isn't supply and demand-driven, because hey there is already so much building. Clearly building magically makes prices go up, because moon logic.
In reality, there are massive shortfalls of building, and the ratio of Population Growth, to New Homes built is getting worse.
All the 'soak the investors' policy will do nothing, or chip away at the edges. Canada just needs to build denser accommodations, from townhouses and duplex/triplexs up to more big apartment buildings. You can't get out with endless sprawl into the wilderness.
Joij21
🔥Deny, Defend, Depose!🔥
I also believed Hillary Clinton would start a thermonuclear war, thus making Trump the safer candidate.
Nah. If he was really that bad they never would have allowed him on the ballot.
Besides if true, then even those who voted strategically for him in the primaries also bear responsibility. It's partially their fault for why someone like John Kasich, or Marco Rubio wasn't the final Republican choice for 2016.
Yeah, right.
He did all kinds of reprehensible things that should have kept him off the ballot, or at least kept reasonable and sensible people from voting for him.
AmtrakQuebec
King
They allowed Hitler on the ballot in Germany.
Joij21
🔥Deny, Defend, Depose!🔥
Well its the Democrats' fault for why he ended up on that ballot instead of more qualified candidates. Strategic voting and all.
But the left as always will try to take pride in demeaning what they see as morally inferior beings.
Joij21
🔥Deny, Defend, Depose!🔥
Strategic voting. That's the only reason he ended up on the ballots. Democrats way of forcing us to choose Hillary and morally shame us if we chose Trump.
Only the jokes on them because we weren't going to fall for the deception and would rather vote for him if given no other choice, just so we can stick it to them!
AmtrakQuebec
King
Interesting non-sequitur pivot.
Joij21
🔥Deny, Defend, Depose!🔥
Both arguments are logically valid at the same time. I gave two reasons for why I voted in such a way; one was out of spite, and the other was based on Hillary leading us to disaster.
Evie
Pronounced like Eevee
Both are colossally bad is more like it.
Paranoia and spite. Great source for political decisions.
Paranoia and spite. Great source for political decisions.
I've seen both sides do that, so don't polish your halo just yet.
And I would appreciate if Hitler could be kept out of this thread, too.
Uncle Sparky
Pheasant Plucker
I'd appreciate it if this tread could be about the Canadian election.
Unless anything changes drastically, we are looking at another minority government, with either Trudeau receiving a reduced minority, or O'Toole leading a minority Tory government. In either case, Singh will likely hold the balance of power again.
Polls in Toronto Centre suggest Paul is running a distant third... Her party will turf her quickly if she loses. There is a fair probability that May may be the last Green standing, again.
Will the Liberals keep Trudeau on if he doesn't get a majority? Will he quit if he moves to the opposition, or will they need to turf him?
Singh looks like he will lead the NDP to modest gains... I suspect if he holds the balance of power, again, his position is safe.
O'Toole will make gains, but if he doesn't become PM, will they keep him on? He's a generally inoffensive leader, but do the CPC want a more right wingnut?
The PPC is Maxime Bernier's party. Period. However it does, he will lead it.
Unless anything changes drastically, we are looking at another minority government, with either Trudeau receiving a reduced minority, or O'Toole leading a minority Tory government. In either case, Singh will likely hold the balance of power again.
Polls in Toronto Centre suggest Paul is running a distant third... Her party will turf her quickly if she loses. There is a fair probability that May may be the last Green standing, again.
Will the Liberals keep Trudeau on if he doesn't get a majority? Will he quit if he moves to the opposition, or will they need to turf him?
Singh looks like he will lead the NDP to modest gains... I suspect if he holds the balance of power, again, his position is safe.
O'Toole will make gains, but if he doesn't become PM, will they keep him on? He's a generally inoffensive leader, but do the CPC want a more right wingnut?
The PPC is Maxime Bernier's party. Period. However it does, he will lead it.
Annamie Paul will be turfed anyway. From what I've noticed from the news, nobody seems to like her, and the infighting in that party is why I'm not even considering them this time.
That's an interesting question. He's got the determination to fight, but it's become more and more customary in the last few elections for the leader to step down after significant losses.
I suppose it depends on how ready the backroom clique is to shove him out (of course there is a clique that would like to be rid of him; that's par for the course in any major party). If they're not ready now, they can always do it at the next leadership review.
The NDP has to be in a drastic situation for them not to hold the balance of power. I don't think anyone, even Singh himself, realistically expects the NDP to win.
What some people think here in Alberta is that creating the Alberta brand of the Reform Party and becoming premier (even though he had to cheat to do it) is part of Jason Kenney's resume on the road to returning to federal politics as the leader of the Reformacons. It would not surprise me if Kenney has it in his disgusting little mind to claw his way into becoming Prime Minister.
For that to happen, someone has to be a caretaker leader of the CPC for a few more years. The next provincial election in Alberta is in 2023, and there are already people making plans for it. Rachel Notley certainly isn't sitting on her backside. So there actually is a chance that if Kenney and his bunch of thugs piss off too many more people (the nurses and teachers are seriously talking about going on strike), they will lose in 2023. And then what would Kenney do? He's not the type to sit meekly across from a woman (much like Jim Prentice wasn't; he was such a coward that he not only resigned the party leadership, but also the seat he'd just won) - so that would be an opportune time to go back to Ottawa and start maneuvering O'Toole out and getting himself in.
Or all this speculation could be moot if Rona Ambrose decides she's spent enough "time with the family" and opts to run. She's the one they actually wanted, rather than Scheer.
There is a PPC candidate running in my riding. There's also a Maverick Party candidate and a Libertarian Party candidate. What a shame that these fringe parties don't have a little more support here. Between 4 right-wing parties, the right-wing vote could be split to allow the NDP to sneak up the middle and win.
But of course this is federal, and whatever the right-wing calls itself these days always wins. You could run a piece of my cat's used litter as the CPC candidate and people would vote for it.
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