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Discussion in 'Civ3 - Completed Modpacks' started by Vancouver 2010, Dec 19, 2003.

  1. Vancouver 2010

    Vancouver 2010 Getting Paid to Code

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    Due to the new thread about creating a Canadian civ in the General Discussions forum, I felt the uncontrolable urge to actually create a mod that has Canada.

    Yes, I do realize that a Canadian mod was already created (link: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7382 ), but that one just replaced the American civ with a Canadian civ.

    Details

    Leader: Prime Minister Trudeau (using Lincoln leaderhead)

    Civ Removed: Iroquois (that way people can make wars equivalent to the War of 1812 -- either to re-enact it or to reverse the results)

    Civ Traits: Expansionist / Agricultural (a lot of land area -- 2nd only to Russia -- and quite a bit of farming in the Prairies)

    Unique Unit: Mountie (I considered the Arrow, but the previous mod used that)
    Stats: 6 attack / 3 defence / 2 movement / 90 shields
    Treats all terrain as roads
    Available with Military Tradition and replaces Cavalry
    Requires Iron and Saltpeter

    Unfortunately, I'm not an artist, so I'm just using the Cavalry graphics for the Mounties. Also, I made both the Canadian civ and the American civ part of the European culture group instead of the Native American culture group -- IMO it just doesn't seem right building US or Canadian cities with pyramid structures in them.

    BTW, thanks SuperBeaverInc. for your UU suggestion in the General Discussions thread -- I liked them, so I used them (thought you might like some credit).

    To get the new Canadian mod, click this link (CONQUESTS ONLY): http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/Canada.zip

    EDIT: If I get some free time I'll make a PTW and Vanilla version and upload them.
     
  2. Hygro

    Hygro soundcloud.com/hygro/

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    If the mounties come at military tradition, could I recommend that the price be closer to 140 shields? Or more realistically 160? The point being that the gallic swordsman is 40 shields and comes with ironworking. The conquistador comes a full age and a half later, has the same stats but all terrain as roads, and costs nearly twice as much at 70 shields.
     
  3. Mobilize

    Mobilize Nil Satis Nisi Optimum

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    No, he made the Mountie pretty much the same as the Calvary, Cossack, and Hussar (if you added Austria) which is from 80-90 shields.

    Somebody made a Mountie unit, it's really good. You should include those graphics rather than keeping with the Calvary graphics.
     
  4. Vancouver 2010

    Vancouver 2010 Getting Paid to Code

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    Oh, I didn't know that. Could you post a link to it so I can include it in the new version?

    BTW, this is my first mod (so, for anyone who thinks it sucks, then you could be right).

    EDIT: I went thread hunting and found the unit created by Doragon. I'll include it in the next version. Thanks Mobilize for telling me about that.
     
  5. Hygro

    Hygro soundcloud.com/hygro/

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    However my point is that with the All Terrain As Roads ability (ATAR), it should cost a LOT more. Think--a unit that in an army could pillage 16 times a turn, could take over a civ in one turn no problem, etc.
     
  6. Vancouver 2010

    Vancouver 2010 Getting Paid to Code

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    Good point. Clearly I'm gonna need to tweak my mod a bit. But hopefully it wasn't that bad -- as far as inaugural mods go.
     
  7. Sword_Of_Geddon

    Sword_Of_Geddon Mysterious Jungle Warrior

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    Actually Vancouver, I believe somebody actually made a Trudieu leaderhead(its animated, and era-specific!)

    I think I saw it at a place called Civilization File Emporium if Im correct.
     
  8. CivArmy s. 1994

    CivArmy s. 1994 Deity

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    I'm looking for a Canadian 3d leader, but I did not find one. If it does not exist yet, I am a volunteer to produce one. Could u fellows help me with suggestions, civilopedia topics, city list, choose the great leaders, refrences...????
     
  9. Sword_Of_Geddon

    Sword_Of_Geddon Mysterious Jungle Warrior

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    Theres a Douglas Mcarthur leaderhead availible on GIDustin's Website(look it up on google), its 3-D, animated, and era pacific.
     
  10. CivArmy s. 1994

    CivArmy s. 1994 Deity

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    I think I checked the wrong web site, the leaderhead that I found was a photo. Do u know the link of GIDustin's Website?
     
  11. ghostbuster

    ghostbuster Busting Ghosts

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    heres a leader for ya mate

    Louis Riel.....cept he WAS Maiti but I dunno...maybe General Wolf (even though he was English)
     
  12. CivArmy s. 1994

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  13. colonial1

    colonial1 Chieftain

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    umm im canadian and i wanted a canadian civ in civ 3. i was wondering if there is any way tht someone could make this mod useable on Civ 3 Gold Edition or if theres a canadian civ out there tht will work on gold.. thanx a lot if ya can do it!
     
  14. circeus

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    P-E Trudeau doesn't do a good Canadian leader IMHO. Not only was he extremely controversial ("In Pierre Elliott Trudeau, Canada has at last produced a political leader worthy of assassination," Irving Taylor), but he's just too modern and not historic enough.

    Why didn't anybpody think about Sir John A. McDonald as the Canadian leader?
     
  15. bkwrm79

    bkwrm79 Prince

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    I like the traits, but not the leader.

    Re War of 1812: How do you reverse a tie? :D
     
  16. Corvex

    Corvex Emperor of Canada

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    Tactful. :rolleyes:
    And I suppose that MacDonald's suppression of the North West rebellion and the subsequent execution of Louis Riel are totally uncontroversial.
     
  17. circeus

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    In a modern perspective, yes. But then Macdonald was also our one most notable "founding father" and Canada's first Prime Minister (the second longuest serving one too!), it's also during his service that Canada's extension to the west was made. As a more general argument, I believe civIII leaders should be historic, not modern.

    If the second métis rebellion is a controversial topic about canada's history, then the creation of Texas and California should be considered controversial in the USA's history, but that is beyond the point.

    In the end, I just believe modern leaders should be left for modern mods.
     
  18. Corvex

    Corvex Emperor of Canada

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    Don't get me wrong, I don't have anything against John A MacDonald (in fact, if he came back to life tomorrow, I would probably vote for him, especially given the quality our current leaders ;) ), but in my opinion, Canada didn't really come in to its own until the modern age, and Trudeau is probably the single most notable figure of this period.
    Perhaps Lester B. Pearson would make a happy compromise. He's not quite as modern, and everybody seems to love him.
     
  19. circeus

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    I guess we have an example of different basic opinions. I tend to believe Civ's spirit favors more ancient leaders. Macdonald or Laurier were MP during teh Canada's Epxansionist Golden Age and it's actual creation, which definitely makes them the best options in the spirit of the game, I think.

    Of course, if you emphasize Canada's "International" golden age of post-war II, then the results change altogether. I still think Both Pearson and P-E Trudeau were too late players to be used as CivIII leaderheads, though. Mackenzie King could do the job IMHO, though.

    That's the problem in CivIII with countries whose history has not been sufficiently iconified.
     
  20. Mistfit

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    Just incase you want the complete list of Kings/Queens/Governor-generals/Prime Ministers to choose from....(It's quite lengthy)
    Spoiler :

    Canada

    Independent Monarchy in the British Commonwealth 01.07.1867

    (Queens/Kings)
    Victoria (1819-1901) 01.07.1867-22.01.1901
    Edward VII (1841-1910) 22.01.1901-06.05.1910
    George V (1865-1936) 06.05.1910-20.01.1936
    Edward VIII (1894-1972) 20.01.1936-11.12.1936
    George VI (1895-1952) 11.12.1936-06.02.1952
    Elizabeth II (1926) 06.02.1952-



    (Governors-general)
    Charles Stanley, Viscount Monck of Ballytrammon (1819-1894) 01.07.1867-02.02.1969
    Sir John Young (since 1870 John Young, Baron Lisgar) (1807-1876) 02.02.1869-25.06.1872
    Frederick Hamilton-Temple- Blackwood, Earl of Dufferin (1826-1902) 25.06.1872-25.11.1878
    John Douglas Sutherland-Campbell, Marquess of Lorne (1845-1914) 25.11.1878-23.10.1883
    Henry Petty-Fitzmaurice, Marquess of Lansdowne (1845-1927) 23.10.1883-11.06.1888
    Frederick Arthur Stanley, Baron Stanley of Preston (1841-1908) 11.06.1888-18.09.1893
    John Campbell Hamilton-Gordon, Earl of Aberdeen and Temair (1847-1934) 18.09.1893-12.11.1898
    Gilbert John Elliot-Murray- Kynynmound, Earl of Minto (1845-1914) 12.11.1893-10.10.1904
    Albert Henry George Grey, Earl Grey (1851-1917) 10.10.1904-13.10.1911
    Arthur William Albert, Duke of Connaught and Strathearn (1850-1942) 13.10.1911-11.11.1916
    Victor Christian William Cavendish, Duke of Devonshire (1868-1938) 11.11.1916-11.11.1921
    Julian Hedworth George Byng, Baron Byng of Vimy (1862-1935) 11.11.1921-02.10.1926
    George Freeman Freeman-Thomas, Viscount Willingdon (1866-1941) 02.10.1926-04.04.1931
    Vere Brabazon Ponsonby, Earl of Bessborough (1880-1956) 04.04.1931-04.11.1935
    John Buchan, Baron Tweedsmuir of Elsfield (1875-1940) 04.11.1935-11.02.1940
    Augustus Alexander George Cambridge, Earl of Athlone (1874-1957) 11.02.1940-12.04.1946
    Harold Alexander, Viscount Alexander of Tunis (1891-1969) 12.04.1946-28.02.1952
    Vincent Massey (1887-1967) 28.02.1952-15.09.1959
    George Philias Vanier (1888-1967) 15.09.1959-05.03.1967
    Roland Michener (1900-1991) 17.04.1967-14.01.1974
    Jules Léger (1913-1980) 14.01.1974-22.01.1979
    Edward R. Schreyer (1935) 22.01.1979-14.05.1984
    Jeanne Sauvé (1922-1993) 14.05.1984-29.01.1990
    Ramon Hnatyshyn (1934-2002) 29.01.1990-08.02.1995
    Roméo LeBlanc (1927) 08.02.1995-07.10.1999
    Adrienne Clarkson (1939) 07.10.1999-



    (Prime Ministers)
    Sir John Alexander Macdonald (1815-1891) 01.07.1867-05.11.1873
    Alexander Mackenzie (1822-1892) 07.11.1873-17.10.1978
    Sir John Alexander Macdonald (2nd term) 17.10.1878-06.06.1891
    John Abbott (1821-1893) 16.06.1891-24.11.1892
    John Sparrow David Thompson (1844-1894) 05.12.1892-12.12.1894
    Mackenzie Bowell (1823-1917) 21.12.1894-27.04.1896
    Charles Tupper (1821-1915) 01.05.1896-08.07.1896
    Sir Wilfried Laurier (1841-1919) 11.07.1896-06.10.1911
    Robert Laird Borden (1854-1937) 10.10.1911-10.07.1920
    Arthur Meighen (1874-1961) 10.07.1920-29.12.1921
    William Lyon Mackenzie King (1874-1950) 29.12.1921-28.06.1926
    Arthur Meighen (2nd term) 29.06.1926-25.09.1926
    William Lyon Mackenzie King (2nd term) 25.09.1926-06.08.1930
    Richard Bedford Bennett (1870-1947) 07.08.1930-23.10.1935
    William Lyon Mackenzie King (3rd term) 23.10.1935-15.11.1948
    Louis St. Laurent (1882-1973) 15.11.1948-21.06.1957
    John George Diefenbaker (1895-1979) 21.06.1957-22.04.1963
    Lester Bowles Pearson (1897-1972) 22.04.1963-19.04.1968
    Pierre Elliott Trudeau (1919-2000) 20.04.1968-04.06.1979
    Charles Joe Clark (1939) 04.06.1979-03.03.1980
    Pierre Elliott Trudeau (2nd time) 03.03.1980-30.06.1984
    John Turner (1929) 30.06.1984-17.09.1984
    Martin Brian Mulroney 17.09.1984-25.06.1993
    Kim Campbell (1947) 25.06.1993-04.11.1993
    Jean Chrétien (1934) 04.11.1993-
    Paul Martin (1938) 12.12.2003-


    Why not William Lyon Mackenzie King He was PM for what 22 years over 3 terms?
     

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