Canadian Welfare System Fails

[Arwon]

I live in a garage near the airport, and it still costs me $100AUD a week.

Hmm.

 

[Cutlass]

Aren't property prices in CT plummeting? Maybe the high rents have to do with the fact that they are based on the purchase price of a property and not the real value. Would it be reasonable to consider buying property? If you're safe in your job that is. In the long run you might make out like a bandit.

Connecticut didn't fly as high or fall as fast as many other areas, except for the region of CT called the Gold Coast, which is the Greenwich area. And that's more a suburb on New York City than it is a part of CT. A handful of other towns are like that, but most of the state didn't boom that much.

 

[Orange Seeds]

You will never find anything even remotely close to that cheap in Vancouver

 

[jeps]

or calgary.

in toronto, that would get you a piece of shiite (no offense intended to the religion who uses that spelling of ****) place all the way over in like jane/finch.

also, a metropass is...$100/month.$1200/yr.

 

[Defiant47]

I've done the calculations before. The money received is plenty to get by.

If you want something more, then you always have the option of more education and schooling.

 

[Orange Seeds]

here's a map to show the inadequacy of welfare in proportion to living Cost in Vancouver. Keep in mind its from 1996 meaning these rates would be at least double:

http://www.brocku.ca/maplibrary/atlas96/Vancouver/VancAvgRnt.PDF

the cheap area in the centre is The_Downtown_Eastside

transit pass is $73 a month+ food, utilities etc. It adds up quick

 

[Shylock]

I'm more interested in what they did to their Social Security.

All I can say is "lol". It may not be the clusterfrak we saw with the pensions and 401K here but for them to raise it without consulting the Legislative Branch and nobody noticing/caring till now and looting it is pretty funny. The only reason anybody is noticing it is because Steven Harper is Tory and therefore want to out the Labour (and gone) Chretien.

Socialism is great, we should have more here.

 

[Zelig]

I live in Nova Scotia, Canada. It costs about $600 a month for a skid-row druggie apartment. $700 for a half-decent one-bedroom. $800 for a decent two-bedroom.

No way does it cost that much if you look around a bit and negotiate a decent price. I live an hour and a half away from you, and I'm paying $325/month for my half-decent apartment.

 

[Alpine Trooper]

I've done the calculations before. The money received is plenty to get by.

If you want something more, then you always have the option of more education and schooling.

Look I am presenting you with statistics compiled by a reputable organization.

You are presenting me with lies. Either prove you can live off $20,000 a year with children or don't bother posting.

You've "done the calculations before"

 

[Alpine Trooper]

Pretty sad the Conservatives in these forums want to define and decide how the poor should be spending their money. Down do deciding how much they should allocate for groceries. Because you can't trust the poor. Whatever happened to the free market? Now I am just waiting for them to tell the poor what food to buy specifically.

 

[Mulholland]

Pretty sad the Conservatives in these forums want to define and decide how the poor should be spending their money. Down do deciding how much they should allocate for groceries. Because you can't trust the poor. Whatever happened to the free market? Now I am just waiting for them to tell the poor what food to buy specifically.

Are you trolling? Honestly. Welfare is to get a person through tough times. It is not to provide a comfortable standard of living. And your comment about he free market is way off base, in a truly free market welfare recipients would be SOL. Listen. IMO, if you do not work and have the ability and opportunity to, then you can eat government supplied gruel for all I care.

 

[Defiant47]

Look I am presenting you with statistics compiled by a reputable organization.

That doesn't show that one can't get along just fine with the current welfare standards.

You are presenting me with lies.

I believe the word you're looking for is "unsubstantiated claims".

Either prove you can live off $20,000 a year with children or don't bother posting.

I certainly don't care enough to bother with that again!

You've "done the calculations before"

Indeed I have. You have any idea how many credits you get the poorer you are and the more dependents you have?

 

[Valka D'Ur]

I'm not sure exactly how the poverty line is calculated but I believe someone could live off of this tax free money for some time. Some Quick calculations.


Of $7204.00
$250.00 a month to rent a room: $3000.00 a year. You could probably find it for less too.
$50.00 week for food: $2600.00 dollars a year. There are also many food banks to make your weekly bill lower.
$25.00 a month for a landline with voicemail: $300.00 a year.
$50 dollars a month for a public transportation pass: $600.00 a year.


Total $6 500 dollars with a net savings of $704.00 a year. You have you basic needs covered in this scenario and all tools necessary to find a job. There are also many programs to help get free training and find work. Welfare is not meant to be comfortable. It is meant to keep one alive until he can find a job.

Maybe you can survive on that where you are. It's not remotely enough here in Alberta. I notice that you seem to think that utilities are free. That piddly amount you allocated for rent wouldn't begin to make a dent in electricity, natural gas, and water. Not to mention that you neglected to figure in GST and PST.

And are the food banks in your area free to anybody whenever they want? Here you're allowed to apply four times per year. You have to be seriously strapped for food, and you have to provide IDs for everybody in your household, even babies. It's an embarrassing, degrading experience, and I can't think that anybody would choose to go that route if they don't have to.

You can rent a room in Canada for $250 a month? My rent is very cheap for my area and it's over twice that. And I'm not in an expensive area either.

It won't be a nice room in a nice neighborhood but it will keep the snow off your head. No one wants to rob a poor person either.

No, you can't rent a room for $250 -- you might be able to rent a condemned dump. A recent article about "affordable housing" in Vancouver recounted how the homeless people were moved into a mice-infested building; they had a cleaner existence on the street, in some cases.

I know that if I were to rent somebody a room in my house, I'd be charging more than $250.

BTW, plenty of poor people get robbed. They get beaten, and left to live or die in the parks or alleys. It's a freaky thing for a mother and her children to find a beaten, half-dead homeless person sprawled in a park shelter. And many of these happen in broad daylight, less than a couple of blocks from the police station.

 

[Mulholland]

Maybe you can survive on that where you are. It's not remotely enough here in Alberta. I notice that you seem to think that utilities are free. That piddly amount you allocated for rent wouldn't begin to make a dent in electricity, natural gas, and water. Not to mention that you neglected to figure in GST and PST.

As for food, telephone, and transport and rent, I was including taxes. It might be different in Alberta but many rents in Quebec include utilities. Electricity is also dirt cheap. I use a fair bit and I rarely go over 30 dollars a month. So tack on another 360 dollars to my calculations if you wish.