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Cancel culture strikes again

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Colon, Feb 24, 2021.

  1. Colon

    Colon King

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    Looks like I've been hit with a tripple whammy of being proven wrong on semantics, of whataboutism, and of getting called racist. :lol: Can't say it's entirely unexpected.

    I will not accept that civil rights are subject to being right-minded, not now, not ever. Especially not when what's right-minded is determined by a throng of self-righteous, self-appointed morality cops that spend their days by scouring the internet looking for judgements to pass for an ever expanding list of transgressions.
     
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  2. Gorbles

    Gorbles Load Balanced

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    Wasn't referring to you in the slightest, but do go off.
     
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  3. Samson

    Samson Deity

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    To clarify, my point in the "is this cancel culture" was that this is a poorly defined term. It was nowhere near "you should not complain about Navalny unless you also complain about this".

    I think your point would be easier to engage with if you were more clear about what you are saying. What civil rights are you complaining about? If it is those broken by Russia locking up Navalny you will get no complaint from me. You seem to be indicating that Navalny's civil rights are being broken by Amnesty International? If so, perhaps a bit more detail will make your complaint clear, as they seem to have changed his designation according to their long standing definitions.
     
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  4. Colon

    Colon King

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    Much of internet is like that these days. It's actually pretty mild here compared to places like reddit, where I've seen a post comparing free speech to slavery or a call to take away voting rights of elderly get ten-thousands of upvotes. What's particularly sad is that it's affecting and diminishing (once?) respectable institutions like the NYT or Amnesty.
     
  5. Samson

    Samson Deity

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    Was Amnesty International respectable in 1964?
     
  6. red_elk

    red_elk Deity

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    I didn't vote for Putin last elections, but if pro-democracy politician is Navalny, I prefer authoritarian regime to him.
     
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  7. TheMeInTeam

    TheMeInTeam Top Logic

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    "If statements are not true" isn't a conditional you can reasonably just ignore in what I said :D.

    A better example of a legit anti-cancel lawsuit would be the guy who had Hunter Biden's laptop and got kicked off Twitter for posting hacked information. Twitter itself said he was hacking. He was not hacking. Twitter is liable for defamation in that in a statement Twitter itself generated it falsely accused him of a crime.

    If instead a Twitter user had publicly claimed he was a hacker, that user would be liable rather than Twitter.
     
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  8. aelf

    aelf Ashen One

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    You don't have to hang around in this place, you know. Plenty of right-wing trolls have come and gone.
     
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  9. Joij21

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    And plenty of Marxists have failed. Yet they continue to linger.
     
  10. Farm Boy

    Farm Boy The long wait

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    We've had a share of proponents of Maxist monstrosity drift away over the years too.

    Still have some, sure. But there is somewhat less "murder is ok if the thoughts in the heart are holy in the right way" than there used to be. That might be a function of average age, somewhat.
     
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  11. aelf

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    Failed in what? Strange that there's suddenly some success metric being introduced when the question is whether or not someone feels welcome.
     
  12. Yeekim

    Yeekim Moderator Moderator

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    Indeed I'm not sure whether Navalny has ever branded himself as "pro-democracy".
    "Anti-corruption" is certainly more precise.
     
  13. red_elk

    red_elk Deity

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    Navalny branded himself as Putin's opponent and critic of the Russian government, which is automatically recognized in the West as pro-democracy.
    Like with that artist guy, Pavlensky. When you torch FSB building in Moscow, you are "democratic protester", when you do the same with bank in Paris, you belong to prison.
     
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  14. Farm Boy

    Farm Boy The long wait

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    Try it in Wisconsin and see what they say?

    Well, not try it try it, obv.
     
  15. innonimatu

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    That was a good one to remind :lol:

    Marx was actually very much about democracy. That in an age in Europe when voting was income-based: only the wealthy got one, he had to realize that getting political rights required fighting for them. But even the reference to "dictatorship of the proletariat" shows up only a couple of times in his writings and came up in a context of ongoing revolutions where someone was aiming to monopolize power. Where it came up was in the way of saying that a fight for political domination was indeed going on and workers were going to either win it or lose it - as in remain without even so much as a right to vote. When they got that right they would be the major voting block. Or so he hoped. If they managed to organize...
    His reporting/comment on the 1848 revolution in France and Napoleon III's takeover is very good at giving an idea of his political wit and is very much readable today. So many are the past events repeating as a farce now... If you have insomnia some day look it up and see how the old french drama it compares to some contemporary events.

    The "murder is ok if the thoughts in the heart are holy in the right way"... there are people who talk like that, fortunately acting like that is not so common. Some who claimed to be marxist were just claiming that. The kind of people who could well have happened to pick some other excuse for feeling holy and murdering the heretics.
    Funny that the young ones (were they young?) who showed up so shrill and radical around here prior to the US election seem to have evaporated. Revolutionary fervor abated, or mission accomplished? I get a bit pissed because their acting does smear leftist ideas as they claim leftism, socialism, or marxism for themselves. Without thinking things through, just echoing some talking points of the day. But it's a phase for some people.
     
  16. Farm Boy

    Farm Boy The long wait

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    Well, yes. You don't particularly have to defend Marx(himself) to me. I've always enjoyed what of him I read. Don't agree with most of the total horse **** he wrote about religion(or I didn't understand it properly, I haven't read him exhaustively). I mostly agree a lot of the rest is stupidity/playacting. Team sparklyvampire a few years back seemed to have a *more* coherent set of principles to it.
     
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  17. innonimatu

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    Wokiness devouring their own: "out 3 people operation is not diverse enough, the director must resign or we will". So it ended. Now they are crying they're out of a job...
    They lost the opportunity to continue doing good work? Say instead lost the opportunity of not saying anything and do their jobs up instead of jumping on the bandwagon of attacking the third person just because. Or actually being decent people and defending a colleague who was being smeared in a "he said-I didn't" thing!
     
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  18. Angst

    Angst Rambling and inconsistent

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    So basically a guy is persecuted by Putin, and that by default gives us sympathy for him.

    Amnesty eventually finds out he's an outright Nazi, and does not want to extend protection to Nazis.

    So because people can't understand that Putin sometimes doesn't like bad people, they claim it's cancel culture run amok.

    When it's infact Putin who's despicable has persecuted someone who's despicable, neither of which the people in question would tolerate if they weren't quick to jump at "cancel culture".

    Guys (not Samson). Nazis are bad. Just because Putin doesn't like a Nazi doesn't mean this person is your best friend.

    Jesus.
     
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  19. Kyriakos

    Kyriakos Alien spiral maker

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    Germans seem to like him ^_^

    That said, I think that it is pretty common to see enemies of Putin/Russia be labeled "nazis".
     
  20. Angst

    Angst Rambling and inconsistent

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    Honestly asking; it is?
     
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