Cancel culture strikes again

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  1. aelf

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    Everything is cancel culture, but virtue signalling - now that's a very specific thing.
     
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    I haven't bought a Domino's pizza in 50 years because of the anti abortion politics of its owner. Is that cancel culture? And in checking things this morning I found out Tom Monaghan the Domino's founder sold the company in 1998 to an investment group. :lol: I guess I could buy one of their pizzas now....
     
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    There's no need punish yourself by eating Dominos.
     
  4. Traitorfish

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    "Cancellation" is in practice something carried out by institutions against individuals, not by individuals against institutions. "Cancellation" describes an attempt to force somebody out of public life or out of a particular rea of public life, such a particular industry, which is a powerful only wielded by powerful institutions; how could a relatively anonymous private individual hope to "cancel" a powerful institution like a multinational corporation?

    The framework of "cancel culture" is awkward and baggage-laden, but it does point towards the tremendous asymmetries of power between powerful institutions (both private and public) and individual citizens in contemporary society. That so many liberals refuse to acknowledge this asymmetry, and therefore align themselves implicitly with the institutions against the citizens, should be troubling.
     
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    You seem to be talking about old-school "cancel culture", where the elite kept women and minorities out of certain industries and out of top management (especially women)

    Today what we've got is public pressure on companies to enact justice, by denying rewards to horrible people (such as sexists, racists, etc) and people who are pushing dangerous policies. People who previously had no checks on their behavior are now being held accountable, and hate it (which is why they're throwing such a tantrum)

    But it's basic capitalism: consumers are organizing, and companies are afraid of losing business if they continue supporting those people. This is public-driven, and the opposite of what it used to be and what you're describing.
     
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  6. red_elk

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    Not necessarily.
    For example there was a case with a woman who got mobbed on Twitter because of one careless statement she made before boarding a plane to Africa. Her career was destroyed before the plane landed.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/22/pr-exec-fired-racist-tweet-aids-africa-apology
     
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  7. Kyriakos

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    It was the institution(s) that fired her. Of course this tends to happen only if there is outrage by a part of the public, but the public doesn't have real control - which is why this can easily affect "progressives" in the future despite currently mostly (?) affecting conservatives/others. Privately you can't cancel much, since after a time no one cares about other people's private opinions.
     
  8. red_elk

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    It was not the institution that cancelled her, though. Firings happen all the time, it's the pretext which is special here.
     
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    For what purpose, economic? The smart ones are better at it?
     
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    This is not at all surprising, seeing how, economically and in terms of reach, influence, the institutions have grown beyond anything seen in previous history. Their power to cancel is a useful instrument in keeping the balance of “healthy” user base. They don’t care one way or the other, as far as particular arguments are concerned, what corporations do need is a productive environment in the space they created, which, if maintained successfully, is going to help eating into competitor’s market share. The asymmetry of power is an economic asymmetry, amplified by loudspeakers and other amenities of a modern institution, or a powerful individual.
     
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    A Tennessee hat store lost some of its contracts after its dimwitted owner decided to sell yellow, six-sided star patches saying "Not Vaccinated." What a bonehead!

    Point being: is this "cancel culture?"

    I still maintain the position that "cancel culture" is just another obnoxious buzz-word that caught on.
     
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    I think it's 'cancel dumbasses'.
     
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    Cancel culture, boycotting, ethical consumerism, sanctions, consumer activism etc. which although are very similar and serve very similar purposes should not be confused with each other as I think some members are doing.
     
  14. aelf

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    Ah, but that is until these powerful institutions are cowed by people power and decide it's better for them to bow to pressure. Then it becomes cancel culture... and good socialists are supposed to decry it? Not really sure how the 'cancel culture' logic works, tbh.

    I wonder how you'll manage to draw a neat line between boycotting, sanctions, consumer activism on one side and 'cancel culture' on the other.
     
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    You decide some don't belong and draw conclusions.

     
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    You can't do that because that would be cancelling your own cancellation... which of course is cancel culture.

    As an aside, Dominos is much better than it used to be, about twice as good I'd say. More specifically, it is a 2/10 now whereas it used to be a 1/10.
     
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    More like “What the hell were they thinking?!”.
     
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    Those were meant to be sold to european governments :mischief:
     
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    Dominos is a nice treat to have once in a while. But it can’t hold a candle to local Pizza shops. At least around my area.
     
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    I thought it would be a good gag to send in a request “from Munich” from “Mr. A. Schicklgruber“—how many references could I make about the Third Reich before they’d catch on?
     
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