CANT complete chieftain still. Help

[Altern Pa]

I am searching for some strategies to complete my cheiftain difficulty. Tried it many times . But i am not able to either increase my score fast nor i m able to completely destroy a civ. Curently i m playing as mongols as Ghengis khan but Mansa musa is still ahead of me by nearly 1000 score and still i m not able to defeat khmer empire.

 

[Anysense]

The only possible advice based the information provided is: upload a save from that game.

 

[salty mud]

Hi,

If you're struggling on Chieftain difficulty, there must be some basics that you aren't yet aware of. Let me give you a quick list of basic tips that should help you out up to Noble at least!

1. Build more workers. I can almost guarantee you aren't building enough if you're struggling at this level. At least one per city is usual. When the game starts, research worker technologies (agriculture, pottery, wheel, bronze working) in order of importance. If you have corn and rice around you, get agriculture and build a farm ASAP. If you have flood plains, get pottery for cottages.
2. Don't be tempted to found a religion! Researching these technologies means you aren't improving your workers. You can always found a religion later, or capture a holy city for yourself.
3. Consider carefully before building wonders. If you'e creative, is it worth building Stonehenge? Likewise if you'e aa coastal empire, I'd strongly consider building The Great Lighthouse. Don't just build a wonder because they're available.
4. Pick your targets carefully. Don't strike at the most powerful empire straight away if you can't handle it. Pick on a weaker neighbour, take his developed cities and improve yourself that way.
5. Found new cities carefully. Cities should ideally have a food resource. Alternatively, they can be used to acquire an important resource, such as copper, iron or gold. Additionally, you can just plant a city somewhere to prevent a rival from expanding in that direction. Just make sure every city has a purpose!
6. Play to your civ's strengths. An imperialistic civilisation should be churning out settlers to get land ahead of your rivals. If you're aggressive, use your combat bonuses to crush your opponents.
7. Siege weapons are your friend. Destroy the enemy defences and then decimate their armies with them. Then mop up with your soldiers.

These should get you started. Give us more details about your game for more advice!

 

[Pedro78]

If you cannot beat chieftain, I'd recommend reading this guide: https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/sisiutils-strategy-guide-for-beginners.165632/

Many people don't like it because it can teach you a bunch of bad habits that will hurt you when you start playing on EMP or so, but it's IMO still the quickest way to learn this game (read this and you will beat Prince easily after a couple of games)

 

[Fizz'l]

At chieftain level you can get away with automating workers.
Are you expanding too fast? If you do that all your income will be going towards city upkeep. Our maybe too slowly?
Are you building the correct stuff? You want a granary in all cities. A monument is useful to expand borders if you're not creative. A library is important in most cities to increase research/run scientists. Other stuff? You need to look at the cost vs the reward. A marketplace in a city with minimal commerce? Not so useful. A barracks in a city with high production where you're going to build heaps of units? Sounds good!
Upload a save so we can see more clearly what the problems are.

 

[Bandobras Took]

Another thing to look at is how well you're doing on tech compared to the other Civs. If your tech rate is low at that difficulty, you may not be building/working enough cottages.

 

[lymond]

My advice is to listen to salty mud's advice right now, but you do need to post a save.

Also, I would not think about score right now - it is irrelevant to the learning process.

Lastly, I would really recommend playing a noble difficulty. If you pay attention to the advice folks give you here you should have no problem with noble.

Do not automate workers. Worker management is very important early on.

 

[Altern Pa]

Here's a save that i m not able to complete. And Thanks for all your help

 

[Fizz'l]

Here's a save that i m not able to complete. And Thanks for all your help

Number one: Build more workers! You've got a lot of undeveloped land. Jungle in particular needs to be converted into cottages. Hills need to be mined. Get fishing boats for the fish west of old sarai. That should be a first priority when you build a city with sea resources. Same with clams near ning hsia. Karakorum is unhealthy. Build a granary there immediately! A granary should be your first building a lot of the time. When you connect the extra clams trade with suryavarman for sheep.

Civics: convert to bureaucracy, organised religion. Bureaucracy for extra commerce/production in capital, and organised religion for faster buildings. Serfdom almost never worth it but you have so much work to do right now. Why are you building a road near ning hsia? Build cottages and then get rid of that annoying jungle.

You have heaps of gold in the bank. Set research to 100%. Guilds is fine. Are you going to start a war? If so make heaps of knights then go have some fun.

Barbarian city. Wait until you have more axemen in place then attack. Want to finish it in one turn. Looks like you attacked before and now defender has good upgrades.

All in all very strong position. Should be able to win here!

 

[Bandobras Took]

Build a granary there immediately! A granary should be your first building a lot of the time.

As a footnote, the reason for this is that granaries greatly increase the rate at which a city grows. The faster a city grows, the more production and commerce it's bringing to you, and sooner.

 

[Altern Pa]

Thanks, for your help. I really appreciate it. If you dont mind, can you show me by completing conquest Victory. Thnks.....

 

[SittinDown]

I cracked it open and played a bit last night. Conquest will be tough given your position because there are multiple continents. Domination or Space are probably your best bets at this point.

...if you want better results, I highly suggest you mimic some of the threads on here where people post an initial save with some screenshots, and work through the game about 10-20 turns at a time before waiting for advice. this helped me a lot in moving from Noble to Immortal.

 

[Gumbolt]

Ermm
1. Slavery! Whip units. You do need to switch to the slavery civic.
2. Chop forest for units and workers. 7 workers is not enough. Steal workers from the AI.
3. Actually build some units. 10 cities and 6 keshik units. You have no stack above 2 units. On a good game I have a 20-30+ strong stack.
4. Khmer has little or no army. What are you on about? 1-2 defenders per city. Change your perception of what a strong Ai look like.

Chop/whip 20+ keshiks and wipe out your neighbours. Asking someone to complete save for you is a bit odd. It's your game.

Oh third city by 400bc is way too late. That should of been 2000bc or so.

 

[SittinDown]

...your city placement needs work too. several of your cities didn't have any resources, let alone food in the inner ring.

little far off cities without good resources just slow you down.

 

[Gumbolt]

Actually his 3rd city was 2400bc. The 4th city was too late.

He seems to be settling on the military resources. Maybe he is using the blue circles the computer suggests.
I might of settled by the fish. 6 food resource which currently has no workboat!.
Besh should of been 1E if you wanted the horse early.

Tech wise. AH for the pigs. Maybe fishing, mining, BW. Then Pottery and maybe writing.

Key to start is the big food resources. You had agriculture for the corn but no Ah for the pigs. AH also reveals horse.
First build is normally worker, followed by warriors to size 3. Then settler.
Sharing the pigs with another city is fine. Not bad where it is as it can also work some cottages for the capital and has the copper.
Fish/Clams is a good city. Next to the fish.
Rice/horse/sugar looks good. Settled between horse and rice.
Build 3-4 cities then mass chop forest for an army of Keshik.

Build 4-5 workers. Start chopping/whipping workers/granaries and Keshik once you have hbr. Key builds are granary, barracks in capital and chopping/whipping your UU. Plus plenty of workers.

You want a stack of about 9-11 Keshik on immortal. Much less on this level.

Time for a restart here.