Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by RedRalph, Jan 17, 2008.
Hitler had a nice vision ?
His dream can come true ?
European race ?
His vision was more than a union of race..A sick idea of thinking German race as superior race of world.
Again, in both cases, the government did everything to destroy terrorists and save as much hostages as possible. It is not only a matter of humanity, but also their reputation. I'm talking about reputation only to proof they indeed have done their best.
I didn't get your sentence about passport, but doesn't matter.
I think so because I live in this country for almost 30 years, and sometimes talk with people. What do you want to convince me? That we don't have freedom? We have it. That human life have no cost for our rulers? I don't see such facts. You just repeat what you have read from articles, and didn't even mention real problems for which our government can be really criticized.
Sting proved this to be false back in 1985
Why does nearly every thread descend into a state of posting pictures of kittens?
w00t time to reply to replies
Hmm - the isolationism the British people has is, imho, mostly based on nationalism. They can, at least, do the organization of their country better, or at least 'proper' with British hands. I didn't mean than the British thought they were directly superior, but rather I focused at the fact that British people think they can do it themselves. I think it's ok, but directly ignoring the fact that an united union would do better than England can ever do again because English hands work in a more 'proper' way when working in an English country.
Of course they shouldn't Not that way
Exactly (Your last point) - the rest is already answered - but the problem is that people should consider themselves European, at least in the same value as they are their own nationality (Or, in European sense, regionality). The better thing would be to think: "I'm primarily European, then Danish".
I was being ironic.
What difference is a "European capital"? How won't it reflect the homogene race and culture of europe?
How could it ever reflect the differences that make our continent so special, the many many different cultures, nationalities and belifes that make it so interesting if it's all just gonna be cramped up in one place.
That's Godwin,and you're a jackass.
Also, he pretty exclusively focused on neoclassical architecture.
(And, for the record, it's "neoclassical", not "Roman"- that doesn't make a clear distinction between classical, neoclassical, Renaissance and Romanesque styles. It can only really applied to actual Roman architecture, and even then then "Classical Roman" is usually preferred to distinguish the architecture of the Roman empire from architecture within the city of Rome (which covers 3,000 years).)
But the reason that the British have this detached, superior attitude is because of the physical isolation of the country, and the cultural isolation that has resulted from this. Most countries tend to think that their way of doing things is the best, the British just stand out in that they've detached themselves to the point that they don't really acknowledge any alternative.
Like I said, British Europhobia results from the fact that we have never really considered ourselves "European". We've always been a little detached from the rest of the continent, culturally, politically, and, for the last 500 years, religiously, so we've never really come to consider ourselves as part of Europe in anything but a geographic sense.
Thanks for proving my point.
And how can this ever in the long run not be the end result of a european state and european capital?
Because the state does not define ethnicity or culture, at least not directly.
Besides, any European state would be highly devolved- possibly quite a great deal more so than most modern European states- rather than some Soviet-style centralised bureaucracy. In fact, here in Scotland, many Scottish Nationalists favour the EU for just that reason- they recognsie that a completely independent Scotland is an unrealistic concept, but instead argue for Scottish independence from Britain, as an equal member state of a pan-European federation.
Rome and London. Rome for religon and general authority while London serves as the finacial HQ and holding for the wealth.
A Union this grand can split capitals to make it work and take advantage of whats located where (vatican/ billionaires)
Out of context, but I just want to rant about Nazi architecture. Although they never really did anyone any real good, their architectural design was pretty beautiful, in my opinion at least.
I don't think Britain has that kind of direct isolation from feeling they're European. Although due to their 'religious isolation' is present, the Anglian Church isn't really that different from the Protestant or Reformed church (The difference is there, though). The problem is, as you say, they don't consider themselves European. The main problem is that no country in Europe does so. France doesn't, they 'are obviously French'. Swedes or Danes are at least Scandinavians. The problem with EU is that every nation has Europhobia in some level.
So Britain's 'unique Europhobia' isn't really there. Even Poland have had it for some time. Previously occupied weak nations does not want to be a part of a stronger entity normally, because their recently gained independence makes them feel comfortable, and they don't want to lose it.
You could say the same with Sweden. Sweden could choose not to consider itself European because it has been somehow isolated for a long time (After the Danish Kalmar Union). They have possibly occupied parts of main Europe, but so has England (The political marriage of England and Nederlands at some era - didn't it happen sometime?)
The problem with Britain's dislikal of Europe is nationalism. Excuse me for saying it blush, but the fact that you speak of British isolated culture as Britain had a really unique one makes you sound a little bit like you also, at the very least in any level, thinks that Britain has that uniqueness. Hence the previous things I said.
But enough with this, I think. It's an OT discussion (I know that this is OT, but still, lol) and I know that if I keep on speaking this way, I'll get a whole bunch of angry Brits after my buttox in this thread.
The relevant thing is, and I think, from the look of your posts, that you agree with me: London is not a good capital for Europe. Berlin is much better.
Well, that I agree with, at least, although Berlin, while a better choice for a capital than London, is still far from ideal. I think it's important to keep the EU capital separate from any traditional capital, so as not to give the impression of any one state having too much control over the organisation. For preference, I'd keep it out of a former Great Power state altogether, but at the very least I'd keep it out of their capitals.
Already, the EU has it's executive and administrative capital in Brussels, it's legislative and democratic capital in Strasbourg and it's judiciary and financial capital. Although all three are regionally important cities, only one of those is a national capital, and it's of a very small, traditionally neutral state with no imperial history. Even if the capitals were changed, there would be no reason to break with this pattern.
Why would we want religion to be involved in the government in any way?
Doesn't anyone learn about the glorious revolution nowadays? And that was the Netherlands monarch 'taking over' the crown of Britain, the parliaments were still separate.
Yeah, but we shouldn't tell people what to think - so we'll have to wait till everyone is ready (which is a good thing, as pan-European political parties really need a lot fo time to get off the ground)
Or any form of beaurucratic instances in Italy .
IMO we don't need a capital as such, a medium sized city in a neutral/small-ish country for in-person meetings and a physical "headquarters" is fine, and we have that already.
But Berlin is the perfect capital. It is placed the best place, is a modern city with modern architecture, extremely powerful economy... Who cares about 'Germany' being the most powerful nation in the EU, when in the future, the EU itself will be considered a nation? (Hopefully, that is)
Not in Danish High School. We've made it to the DANISH-Swedish war of 1650ish. I hate nationalism.
Why not have the capital of europe float across the skies as an armada of airships?
I second this.
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