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Capital of Europe

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by RedRalph, Jan 17, 2008.

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Capital of future enlarged EU

  1. London

    46 vote(s)
    17.6%
  2. Madrid

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. Paris

    28 vote(s)
    10.7%
  4. Amsterdam (lets face it, its not always going to be Brussells)

    31 vote(s)
    11.9%
  5. Berlin

    62 vote(s)
    23.8%
  6. Prague

    22 vote(s)
    8.4%
  7. Athens

    6 vote(s)
    2.3%
  8. Istanbul

    14 vote(s)
    5.4%
  9. Rome

    33 vote(s)
    12.6%
  10. Moscow

    19 vote(s)
    7.3%
  1. Angst

    Angst Rambling and inconsistent

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    The stairs to the place would have to be driven manually beside it.
     
  2. Endim_Analys

    Endim_Analys Chieftain

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    Stairs? We have the technology to be more sophisticated than that. We can use flycars, jetpacks and orca bombers.
     
  3. Angst

    Angst Rambling and inconsistent

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    It would still be a problem with cats. Now, they shouldn't only be afraid of cars.

    "Watch it! The jetting man is coming! ARRRRRGH!"
     
  4. Endim_Analys

    Endim_Analys Chieftain

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    You remember how The Scientists managed to grow a human ear on a mouse a while back? How cool wouldn't it be to grow monkey legs and eagle wings on cats? Then they could swing around in the lianas we'd have dingling from the hanging gardens on our ships. And when they felt like it they could take a fly.
     
  5. Pokurcz

    Pokurcz Emperor

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    I think the problem lies in the fact that you do not have any other reality than your present one to compare to.

    Even if there is a whole TV channel not controlled by the government, it is not enough to call it freedom. All media should be out of the governments imediate controle.

    Maybe you should live abroad for a while to get some perspectives.
     
  6. Gelion

    Gelion Captain

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    Not knowing the facts I cant confirom or deny this, but knowing how chaotic things can be in my country this probably has some grain. On the other hand, one thing I've always wondered about 9/11 is why they didn't organise large scale evacuations of people by helicopters?
    Yes, I agree human life is a lot cheaper over there just like it is in Asia, Africa or Latin America. Glad someone has it better.

    Knowing the size of that town, I am surprised there were as many ambulances as there were. From what I remember seeing in the news, there's been a lot, but probably still not enough. You would not expect to have 100's of ambulances in a town of 35,000? I am sure they were simply not avaliable and knowing logistical issues I am sure at least some were brought from nearby areas. I'm also glad EU has more ambulances per person, that roads are shorter and peoplea re generally better off than in Russia. If I were to use it as a metaphor, I could say that healing an arm wound using super-duper cream is not more honorable than healing the same arm (but not as well) using almost nothing. I'm glad someone has that cream, but lack of cream is not a crime.

    Lastly, I simply cant see how you can fight with insurgents and have firefighters fight fire at the same time. Maybe it is possible in EU or in american heroic action movies, but I doubt it is possible IRL.

    In general, yes, I realise there were lot of logostical problems, but having read accounts of some special forces officers on how they were gathered and what kind of resources they had I think they did okay. I am sure EU would have handeled in better, but until something similar happens in EU (and I pray that it won't) I will hold with my judgement.

    Lastly, I see what problems you are referrig to and I must say I was wrong in my assumptions.
     
  7. Traitorfish

    Traitorfish The Tighnahulish Kid

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    Plenty of people care about Germany being too powerful within the EU. In fact, Germany gets more suspicion about that than either the UK or France do. Eastern Europe, in particular, still regards Germany with some degree of suspicion, so if you want them to effectively integrate into the EU you can't be seen to favour Germany to heavily.
    The fact is, you can't think of this as a traditional capital. You're not creating a seat of imperial power, you're establishing a place were the representatives of separate member states can meet for various purposes. You want to resist choosing a particular powerful or wealthy city and the centralisation that this would entail. For this, you're far better off with a smaller city in a small, neutral country. For preference, you'd have several such cities, dividing the major roles of government between separate locations, so as to further decrease the idea of one country wielding too much power within the EU and resisting the possibility of
    And that is, in fact, what we have right now. Strasbourg's an exception, of course, so maybe we could do with shifting Europe's legislative capital elsewhere, plus there has been a tendency to centralise the system around Brussels, but shifting the capital to Berlin is certainly not a solution to either of those problems.
     
  8. sex machine

    sex machine Chieftain

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    I voted for Berlin
    Germany is the hearth of europe, the centre of european succes
    Berlin is the future!!!
     
  9. Zenon_pt

    Zenon_pt Civing on the real world

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    Yes, but Bonn was already one capital of Europe during the cold war.
    It was an ideia.
    But like I said before, for my: Berlin or Vienna. (NEVER MADRID)...
     
  10. Sagery

    Sagery Chieftain

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    Berlin. It's in one of the richest and most populous countries in the EU, so why not? Vienna would be nice, too bad it's not on the poll.
     
  11. red_elk

    red_elk Deity

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    Ok, may be. I wish you to be free from traditional prejudice of Eastern Europeans to us, and rely in your estimations more on facts than on journalist's interpretations.

    In general, agree, unfortunately. :(
     
  12. Angst

    Angst Rambling and inconsistent

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    You didn't get my point. :) I know people feel that way, but if EU is to remain anything at all (If EU is not to be HREish), we should choose a central capital to rule our nation.
     
  13. Hadesspirit

    Hadesspirit Prince

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    The capital must be in the middle of Europe..The middle of Europe is Germany..Germany's capital is Berlin..
    To easy to explain my reason to choose Berlin.
     
  14. RedRalph

    RedRalph Deity

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    the middle of Europe isnt Germany, its Latvia
     
  15. Hadesspirit

    Hadesspirit Prince

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    So you counted Russia.
    Why do you count Russia?
    Does Russia see himself European or Does Europe see Russia a part of Europe in diplomatic ways?
     
  16. RedRalph

    RedRalph Deity

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    why do I count Russia? Why would I not count Russia? Russia is a european country. Europe ends at the Urals. How could I not count a country that constitues almost 50% of Europes landmass? and yes Russians see themselves as Russian and europeans see Russians as european. You are msitaking the EU for Europe. the EU is not Europe.
     
  17. Mirc

    Mirc Not mIRC!!!

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    QFT. :)
     
  18. warpus

    warpus In pork I trust

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    Berlin would make a great capital, but it will never happen for a couple reasons..

    1. The French
    2. The British
    3. Memories of WW2

    Vienna is even more central than Berlin, so I'll vote for that instead (and I think I already did).. Actually, they should just build the capital buildings right in between Vienna and Bratislava, and slowly connect the cities.
     
  19. Pangur Bán

    Pangur Bán Deconstructed

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    Given that the EU is no longer France and Germany, the capitals should no longer be lying in the boderlands of those two countries. And it certainly shouldn't be in one of the big countries (UK, France, Germany, Russia or Turkey), or the peripheral ones (see last bracket).

    Prague and Vienna are the best candidates IMHO. Wien is a culturally and historically German city however, which rules it out. Prague, although not as important as Wien, is as central, and moreover has a good Slavic Germanic mix which sums up Europe better than any other place.
     
  20. RedRalph

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    If Trieste had some Germanic populatuion that would be a good one.... it dosent by any chance, does it?
     

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