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Capto Iugulum: 1920 - 1939

Discussion in 'Never Ending Stories' started by EQandcivfanatic, Oct 17, 2012.

  1. Jehoshua

    Jehoshua Catholic

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    OOC: That they are protestant is all the more reason to make my point to them ;) oh and immaculate, unless you count a third year uni student as an academic Im not one :p, indeed being not so long out of my teens I would sincerely doubt Im qualified as a member of that fraternity (on an aside I do not approve of the exhalted reverence the opinions of academics are given when those opinions are outside of the academic in questions field)

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    To: Occitania
    From: the Holy See


    Of course the Holy See understands the a great transition is occuring in your reason, however that a transition is occuring is not a primary cause for the disorder and division but rather its catalyst. Due to the lack of the objective moral and ideational criterion we previously mentioned, the events that occured after the Rhine-Rhone war disrupted the temporal paradigm that existed and created, precisely in the absence of any objective reference or ideational paradigm a great uncertainty, a void in the conception of the french nations who you are and where you are going which has led to the things we noted. Thus again the necessity for unity for a common consensus within your society, and one rooted in firm objective truth, something that can only be provided by the Catholic Faith.

    As to changing your nations laws permitting parties inspired by philosophy rooted in religion (the religiously reserved seats in the upper house being irrelevant to us, since our concern is the legitimate part of religion in the socio-political action of the people), we recall that the formula for the prohibition on religiously inspired parties is worded in such a way as to suggest that religion is problematic, revealing to our mind a gravely erroneous secularist reasoning that denies religions legitimate place in society, and seeks to divorce man and law from the law of nature and natures God. Now of course we are glad to hear that Occitania perhaps has moved on to some degree from the godless experiments of the age (experiments which are fundamentally the cause of much of this present ages strife), but we must restate that the necessary reform to allow religiously inspired parties should go ahead, not necessarily instantaneously (the Holy See fully understands that competing ideologies rage in Occitania, that was indicated in our comments regarding the absence of a common ontology) but over time, organically (as the Part of Order seems to value) through appropriate and gradual reform towards the desired end.

    ~ Sec. Relations with States.
     
  2. Terrance888

    Terrance888 Discord Reigns

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    OOC: What is this? Executions? President running for 1928 election? It's as if you didn't re

    oh. nvm. Moving along.
     
  3. TheLastJacobite

    TheLastJacobite No Commies

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    Surely you do not count Brazil among them, seeing how they condemned Portugal for invading Jamaica, a small peaceful nation, without first declaring war, then did just that themselves a few years later, violating the tenets of PADA that they themselves drafted!

    The fact is the proposed British conference is pointless. There is no law saying that Europe must trade with Brazil. In fact, many nations (such as Rome, Italy and ourselves) have not traded with Brazil for years, to no ill effect; the meager goods they provided are available from other Europeans who are closer and charge less. The point being, no one can force Europe to trade with any nation, a point that we are just now coming to realize.

    As for the accusations that Russia is destabilizing the colonies of the United Kingdom, we wish to see your proof. The incident with Russian merchants supplying arms to Madagascar was unfortunate, but like the United Kingdom, we cannot be held responsible for the actions of all our citizens. Yet, the African rebels have access to designs exclusive to the Brazilian government, are armed with Brazilian weapons and since you say you sent no soldiers, we see no reason to return to you the several dozen Brazilians we found aiding the rebels, as they must also be rogue malcontents and not paid government and military agents as they claimed.
     
  4. Circuit

    Circuit Writing Letters

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    To: Russia
    From: United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland


    We find it highly suspect that Russian businessmen would possess the equipment we've found in our colonies, given the closed nature of Russian society. Not even Britain allows businessmen to possess naval mines.

    The British foreign policy personnel follow a different foreign policy doctrine than Brazil, and therefore do not see completely eye-to-eye with Brazil, which was once the case. If our summit fails, then so be it, but at least a constructive dialogue can begin.
     
  5. Azale

    Azale Deity

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    The African "rebels" are free and independent states, even according to their former overlords. Seeing as that is the case, Europe has lost and this boycott has no clearly defined aims other than to punish Brazil for an indefinite period of time for being vocally on the side of liberation.

    In fact, it is such an embarrassment to world progress that I fear an emotional backlash against European nationals and businesses across the world. Mass incidents have come from less.

    With this being said, the Tanyeken government, being in its infancy, can not guarantee the safety of every foreign national. Let it be known right now however that we are opposed to this boycott due to its gross unfairness towards Brazil, oppressed peoples, and the foreign nationals of the boycotting nations.


    OOC: EQ, I am not even certain how many foreign nationals are in Tanyeken right now. Are any left after the rebellion?
     
  6. EQandcivfanatic

    EQandcivfanatic Zailing Captain Retired Moderator

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    Anyone else notice how much more verbose Jehoshua is now? It's almost as if he's inexplicably gained a bunch of free time.

    @Immaculate: I'll be handling the questions you've had in the order they were asked. In terms of adopting another nation's doctrine, it can be worth it if they have higher Army Quality than you, but the best advice I can give on doctrine, is to figure out whether or not the doctrine available meets your planned military needs. Elections will happen whether or not you order them. If you'd like to list out the parties and their platforms, that certainly makes my job easier (a shoutout to Lord Iggy's awesome orders for his election years here), and makes updating more fun for me. It's not required though. At the moment the approved ideologies for various parties are (within context of modern OTL terms were applicable, for ease of use): Traditional Proletarist, Social Proletarist, Liberal, Moderate, Conservative, Militarist, Religious, and Nationalist/Separatist. If you were referring to having multiple parties with the "liberal" ideology, I'd prefer if you just listed the largest one. Coalitions are mentioned for many nations and the largest party of the coalition is the one that will be listed in stats. The type of government you mention would qualify as a Parliamentary Republic at the current moment, though I suppose we could find a different name for it if you'd like.

    @crezth and anyone else concerned: At this time, I'm still not accepting players for non-government entities.

    @TerrisH: Yes, that is a problem I've had with the current system, manpower numbers under 100 are all treated equally, leading you having to pay the same amounts as say, Hawaii. Until such point where I decide to kill myself by introducing decimals, like this it will stay.

    @Azale: There are a number of white Scandinavians left on your soil. Not many, but their status does need to be determined. There are likely a token amount of other businessmen or mercenaries too from a variety of nations.

    Cechy-Morava, Orleans, Poitou, Dauphine, and Croatia officially are now embargoing the Empire of Brazil alongside their German friends.

    To: Abyssinia
    From: Tadjoura

    We thank you for your recognition, and hope that our relationship will continue to be as amicable in the future.

    To: Brazil
    From: Puerto Rico

    We are currently considering our political options in regards to the PADA and what course the future may hold for us.

    To: Catalonia
    From: Euskadi

    We accept your proposal of a unified currency for the time being.

    To: Catalonia
    From: Galicia

    While we appreciate the sentiment, we have no desire to enter into a unified currency with another state at this time.

    To: Peru
    From: Costa Rica

    As we have repeatedly stated to other nations, we will not have our internal affairs dictated to us from external sources. We will, however, endeavor to protect all foreign nationals within our borders.
     
  7. theDright

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    To: Paris-Burgundy, Dauphine, Orleans, Normandy, Poitou, Switzerland, Spain, Catalonia, Euskadi, and Galicia, that is, those states resulting from the Treaty of St. Gallen
    From: Argentina


    Argentina must repeat last years' request to open embassies and consulates in your nations, for those who did not already respond. We are also willing to discuss measures to improve trade, if desired.

    To: Abyssinia, Adjuuramark, Mozambique, Sudan, Tadjoura, Tanganyeken
    From: Argentina


    As a result of your successful nationalization efforts, as well as the Kongo's acknowledgement of the legality of this status, we recognize your states and governments as legitamate and sovereign. Argentina requests to create embassies and consulates in your nations, should you be willing. We are also willing to discuss measures to improve trade if desired.

    To: Oranjien
    From: Argentina


    We are able to provide more assistance in your security if desired. We had hoped that the troubles in the Dominion of Angola to your north were ending; obviously we were mistaken.

    To: Costa Rica
    From: Argentina


    Argentina must attempt to persuade General de Luz, as Peru did, to adopt democratic reforms. Strong liberal democratic republicanism and strong military and state security are not necessarily opposed.

    To: Honduras
    From: Argentina


    You have our commendation of your treatment of the recent protests in your country. If Honduras requires aid in the preservation of its' republic against tyranny, Argentina remains its' friend.

    To: Nicaragua
    From: Argentina


    President Ortiz and Nicaragua's Republic have the full support of Argentina. If Nicaragua requires aid to preserve its' republic against dictators, military, proletarist, theocratic, or otherwise, Argentina is more than happy to oblige.
     
  8. Luckymoose

    Luckymoose The World is Mine

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    OOC: Brazil is that important. We are the largest economy in the Americas. We provide the largest sources of rubber, coffee, sugar, aviation, and some of the largest exports in electronics, automobiles, industrial parts and goods, etc. This is essentially embargoing one of the top economies of the world during peace time, rather than war time: as the majority of Brazil's embargoes have been.

    It is basically like having the Peoples Republic of China embargo the United States because the United States has friends in Asia. It does nothing but cause worldwide economic downturn. Anyone with a basic understanding of economics can see that this move will hurt everyone, not just Brazil. So, as Colombia has said, these powers should rather declare war on Brazil.

    They know they can't touch Brazil that way, so they instead wish to harm the entire planet, including their own people.

    TO: Russia
    CC: Europeans Embargoing Us
    FROM: Brazil


    First, we had renewed relations and lowered tariff deals in place in recent history during the Arabian War, or has your Emperor forgotten those? Secondly, it cannot be that the Russian government views Proletarist Usurpers as Legitimate Governments? That would most certainly be a shift in political ideology that a great number of underground movements in Russia and Asia would love to see confirmed. Thirdly, Brazil cannot break the tenets of PADA, as Brazil helped design them, so we knew best how to carry those out and many nations in PADA have stated their own acceptance of what we did and would have aided us in such.

    Europe does not have to trade with Brazil, no, but they do have to trade with someone and that someone trades with Brazil. Prices rise internationally on the basic commodities that Brazil provides industrializing nations, hurting you all. The Russian government lives in a make-believe sphere of Absolutism, currently prancing about like the 18th century is still upon us. Modern governments have no time for such silliness. The Kongo has fallen to the Free Peoples of Africa, with our aid. We do not hide the fact that we have done as such. We do not need to lie about our involvement as you have about yours. We have sold designs to nations, yes. We have provided loans, yes. We have sent engineers and training personnel, yes. But we have not sent combat personnel, ever. Nor shall we, unless attacked by your backwards, tyrannical alliance.

    Brazil is more than open to this political summit, but we know nothing will come of it. Germany has a double standard on nationalism. Russia has a double standard on rebellion. Britain will have to come to the realization that it is working with a number of tyrants that want to see her destroyed. Brazil, on the other hand, will remain peaceful to all democracies that put an effort to be peaceful to her. Destroying European balance and committing genocide against freedom fighters is no way to become friends of ours.

    If your governments wish to declare war on Brazil, do so. We do not fear you. We will happily sit in Brazil while you shout about in Europe or Asia, unable to do anything to us. But no, you all fear war, for you know what Brazil stands for. We stand on the side of Liberation and Democracy, and you all fear the truth. You all fear us.
     
  9. EQandcivfanatic

    EQandcivfanatic Zailing Captain Retired Moderator

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    Corsica, Sardinia, Euskadi, Serbia, Portugal, Bosnia, and Galicia have joined the embargo against Brazil totally of their own free will, and were not coerced in any way.
     
  10. Lord_Iggy

    Lord_Iggy Tsesk'ihe

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    So people can see what you're talking about, here's what I put in my orders.



    Ole Gudrunsson remains the proud leader of the Socialproletärpartiet (SPP), and is running for a third consecutive term. Should he do so, he will exceed former Statsminister Goran Pilqvist’s time in office (1867-1879) and match the record of Axel Gyllenstjerna (1883-1887 and 1891-1903).

    Coming into the 1927 election, Gudrunsson runs a ‘steady course’ campaign, promising to continue improving the social services that have been established throughout Vinland, bringing a continued rise in the standard of living.



    Fredrik Gustavski has led the Konservativ Industripartiet since the retirement of longtime Kon-Ind frontman Anders Kristiansen. Rejuvenating the party with his fiery rhetoric, Gustavski has been a firm critic of Gudrunsson’s SPP. His party opposed the Vinlandic invasion of Aisuyochi, and maintains that the war was just an example of Gudrunsson’s Social Proletarists being used as a pawn by Brazil and France-Burgundy.

    In the electoral campaign, Gustavski focuses on a mixture of foreign and domestic policy. In foreign matters, he promises to make use of PADA only as a discussion platform, and as an alliance for the defense of its constituent states. No bloody interventionism will take place if the Kon-Inds are elected. Domestically, Gustavski has blasted the SPP for several years of missed opportunities and economic stagnation. The KIP has detailed a system of tax incentives and spending cuts (mostly to social insurance established by Gudrunsson’s government), with the intention of encouraging greater amounts of industrial development, and resource extraction throughout the nation.



    After several years of infighting for control of the party, Rudolf Bloch has re-established himself as the leader of the humbled, but still prominent Socialdemokratiskapartiet (SDP). Charting a course between Social Proletarist and Conservative Industrialist ‘radicals’, the SDP seeks to appeal to the middle ground that lies between the two currently-dominant parties of the Vinlandic Riksdag.

    Social Democrats support a trimming of the budget, focusing on pragmatic economic development, advancing alongside with a rising quality of life. In terms of foreign policy, little distinguishes them from the SPP.



    The Ordningspartiet, the pesky Scandinavian Restorationist Gnat in the Riksdag, remains a force to be reckoned with, although it has fallen far since the glory days before its collapse in 1910. Lars Solberg, as before, leads this party.

    Domestically, the Ordnings resemble a centre-right position between the SDP and KIP, although their foreign policy calls for open denunciation of the illegitimate Workers Commonwealth, and active support for the restoration of the Scandinavian Monarchy. The party’s fortunes, as of late, have fluctuated with those of the Kongo, and as such the Ordnings are in a terribly poor position going into this election.



    New to the ballots this year is the Jordbrukarespartiet (Farmers Party), led by Bernhard Tolversson, a noted poet, farmer and public school teacher from the Västermark. The party’s draws its support from the same moderate base that has previously formed the core of the Ordnings, and the centrist wing of the Social Democrats.

    With strong support in rural areas of the country, Jordbruks seek to lower trade barriers around Vinland, increasing the nation’s position as an exporter of agricultural produce and raw resources. However, unlike their Ordning precursors, they have decisively dropped support for Scandinavian restoration from their agenda.
     
  11. karikon

    karikon Chieftain

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    Does Brazilia understand how her provocation destabilizes African. Is the honorable government of Brazilian oblivious to how her pandering to savages is a direct threat to the safety and security of South Africa and her citizens. Across the ocean, the gentlemen in Rio may congratulate them self, secure in the knowledge that it not they that have to deal with the fallout. We do not have that luxury, We the citizens of South Africa who actually live in this continent, We and other like us are the ones to suffer if Brazil destructive policies are to continue.
     
  12. Circuit

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    [SPRY'S GHOST]Franco-Burgundian Confederation!!![/SPRY'S GHOST]
     
  13. christos200

    christos200 Never tell me the odds

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    You can open embasy. I will send you 5 EP's this year to finish the payment.

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    We shall messege you soon about how much we shall pay you this year.
     
  14. Luckymoose

    Luckymoose The World is Mine

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    TO: South Africa
    FROM: Brazil


    We have done nothing to South Africa, or Britain. Thus, South Africa should run their diplomatic insults through London before sending them our way.

    TO: Paris
    FROM: Brazil


    No, you already agreed to pay 80EP in 1928, so you will pay it. There is no other option for you.
     
  15. Circuit

    Circuit Writing Letters

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    We happen to agree. Before making belligerent commentary, we'd prefer you ask London's permission before doing so.
     
  16. christos200

    christos200 Never tell me the odds

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    Please be more polite. We are civilized people. At least in France. We do not know what barbarians in Brazil do. Second, we were just looking in our official papers to see how much we would pay you and then we would messege you. Third, we shall pay the 80 EP's this year. You do need to worry.
     
  17. Luckymoose

    Luckymoose The World is Mine

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    TO: Paris-Burgundy
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    And here we thought Prime Minister Archambault was a staunch opponent of German expansionism? Is he not one of the leading politicians that asked for Brazilian loans in the first place? How can it be that the leader of the Parisian government so suddenly changes his views on the Brazilian government, when he won his elections as an Anti-German politicians in the first place.

    You will pay your debt, yes, and from here on out the Parisian government will never again see aid from us "barbarians."
     
  18. christos200

    christos200 Never tell me the odds

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    The German expansion is a fact and cannot be stopped now. If you did not wanted the Germans to expand, then you should have helped the Confederation in it's fight. Next time a country expands too much and threatens status quo, send troops, not just money otherwise you will face the results of your choice.
     
  19. Luckymoose

    Luckymoose The World is Mine

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    OOC: Read your section of the update. Your current government is majority Anti-German. They wouldn't be talking like this, period.


    TO: Paris
    CC: Netherlands
    FROM: Brazil


    We did send men to fight these wars on your behalf. Or have both of you forgotten the sacrifices made by South Americans to fight the Japanese and defend your nations? You're both cowards and traitors.
     
  20. karikon

    karikon Chieftain

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    What is good for the British Empire is good for South Africa. We are grateful that London continues to keep the interest of our empires citizens in mind and we shall remember to practice greater diplomatic cooperation.
     

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