Discussion in 'Never Ending Stories' started by EQandcivfanatic, Oct 17, 2012.
Sorry, EQ, but I honestly have no time to keep up with this game. Dropping Aztlan.
Pan-American Democratic Accord * Acordo Democrático Panaméricano
Acuerdo Democrático Pan-Americano * Panamerikanska Demokratiska Avtalet
To: Hawaii, Peru
From: Pan-American Democratic Accord
Your nations are invited to join the Pan-American Democratic Accord.
-PADA Commissioner Matthew Morgan
Jacksonian Varukogboll League
Golden State Warriors
New Marseilles Musketeers
Saint Louis Oberon Colts
Liberty City Eagles
Saint Martin Hornets
With the New Marseilles Musketeers winning back to back championships in the Jacksonian League, we would like to continue our competitions with Dallas, but would also like to expand our league to include the Western teams of Vinland and the United States
The western teams of Vinland are already involved in national-level competitions, although the creation of a continental league may be a worthwhile pursuit.
Also what does BFC stand for?
Bear Flag City, where OTL Oakland is
Brazilian Varukorgboll Teams:
The league only has six teams at the moment.
Rio de Janeiro Glória
Porto Alegre Marinheiros
Sao Paulo Velocistas
Belo Horizonte Cobras
Varukorgboll Clubs of Vinland
At present, Vinland has over 700 clubs, ranging from amateur organizations to elite professional teams, registered with the Vinlandska Varukorgbollförbundet (VVF). The VVF is an association to organize matches between The highest tier of the VVF contains 18 Clubs which compete with one another throughout a loosely-structured season. At the end of the season, the clubs are ranked based on their performance. The top sixteen enter into a double-elimination playoff, while the bottom two teams are placed into a similar tournament with the best of the second-tier clubs, to compete for a chance to return to the top tier for the next season.
At present, these are the 18 teams in Tier-1 of the VVF.
1. Nya Göteborg Tigrar (Nya Sverige)
2. Sjöstad IF (Dammark)
3. Sammanström VK (Västermark)
4. Konradsköping Svart Örnar (Haroldstad)
5. Vattenby IF (Dammark)
6. Nya Malmö Krigare (Dammark)
7. Einarstad VK (Västermark)
8. Södraborg Försvararna (Nya Sverige)
9. Bodenborg Dragonerna (Västermark)
10. Nya Stockholm Vikingarna (Nya Sverige)
11. Oljagejser Petrokunga (Västermark)
12. Erikstad Kavalleriet (Västermark)
13. Gimli Jötnar (Västermark)
14. Johansborg Väktarna (Nya Sverige)
15. Musslasundet VK (Adlö)
16. Eriklinda IF (Dammark)
17. Västerköping Vargarna (Norrland)
18. Kronor VK (Nya Sverige)
Kongo votes for Sevastopol, Russia for the Olympic Games.
The entire nation of Imperial Scandinavia is in mourning over the loss of their great emperor, the Leopard King, Harald III. Though only a youth when he passed on, his legendary national pride and constant drive for peaceful solutions will continue to grace the Kongo in his memory. With the legacy of Harald III and all of his predecessors in mind, Scandinavia welcomes its new emperor, Conrad I, who will surely live up to both the expectations of our fallen monarchs and the expectations of our entire nation.
The recent destruction of the country with civil war was a horrible thing, but it must be put behind us. The government of President Garcia has shown kindness to the dissenters of his coup and continues to hold the rights of the people before himself. Brazil, seeking the further security of Cuban people from military threats, domestic and foreign, would like to offer a clean slate of diplomatic relations to the Garcia government. There is no reason to cause further suffering or harm, and the quickest way to guarantee the safety of the Cuban people is a return to normalcy. So we extend friendship to the Garcia regime, with hopes of a free and prosperous Cuba in the near future.
Congratulations on the success of the recent elections and the continuation of democracy in the nation. The Moralist cause is one that Brazil agrees with, and a great number in our government hold Moralist views. So, as we have in recent years with the Chilean government, we would like to break our decades long bitterness with friendship. There is no reason two Catholic nations, with similar political ideologies, should not work around past differences for a brighter tomorrow.
We question the inclusion of Hawaii in the Accord on the grounds that they are not American. What is going on in that organization?
TO: Scandinavia and Denmark
Using the excuse of Brazilian trading vessels to assault civilians of the Scandinavian regime, albeit a wicked and evil ideology, is a crime most heinous. We must request that your genocide does not use the Brazilian name. We are not in the business of genocide. And we question thoroughly the authority of Germany over their European garden in this case. How could such a horrid crime against humanity take place in the Drexlerian wonderland created through violence?
Puerto Rico Varukorgboll Clubs
Until recently, Puerto Rico was only home to three clubs, all concentrated in the San Juan area. However, recently, the city of Ponce on the southern coast has founded a team that now plays nationally.
1. San Juan Pistolas
2. Bayamón Boas
3. Carolina Caimans
4. Ponce Cadetes
They're on the map on our flag, and they're an offshore island which is closer to the Americas than any other continent. At any rate, they are under no sort of pressure to accept our offer.
Even when I don't post here for a month, Lucky still has a hard-on for me.
Venezuela votes Columbia, United States for the 1932 Olympic host city.
The newly elected Venezuelan government thanks the Brazilian Nation for their kind words and congratulations. We fully agree that past hostilities should be set aside, and agree that we as Catholics have to stand together in these trying times. We welcome a change in dialog from our Brazilian Neighbours and as such would like to arrange a state visit to discuss future relations and trade agreements.
Take note that the Newly Elected Venezuelan government does at current not see a lasting benefit at being a member of PADA. The people have voted and as such we will hereby be withdrawing from PADA with immediate effect. If in the future PADA aligns more with our visions and goals we will reconsider re-joining the organization.
PADA has strived for years to see Venezuelan democracy realized. Vinland, for one, is very saddened to hear of your departure, and wishes for you to elabourate upon the lack of benefits that you describe.
ooc: presumably the perception, as noted in the update, that the PADA has becoming nothing more than a vehicle of the interests of certain states, and an agency which instead of accepting legitimate ideological diversity seeks to promote and insinuate one particular viewpoint on its members.
That or our Venezuelan friend is bandwagoning with Brazil, Nicaragua and the others who have left, feeling that PADA is quickly becoming a sinking ship.
OOC: Didn't ask you () but PADA's always worked to maintain an open area for discussion. The key problem is that many nations have been silent when PADA members discussed beliefs that others found disagreeable, and then communicated nothing about these issues until they simply decided to quit. PADA exists simply as a vehicle for democracy and to counter foreign colonialism- it is, reasonably enough, possessed of a personality that is a composite of its constituent members. To state that it opposes ideological diversity is a misdirection- we are opposed to oppressive idealogies and belief systems, but we embrace members with views ranging from social proletarist to conservative, containing populations from a vast spectrum of Christian denominations.
While it is accurate to state that several states in PADA have expressed misgivings about the practical application of moralism, it is equally true to say that moralism, at its core, needs not be a doctrine at odds with the expression of the will of a population.
OOC: Im an interested observor who always feels the need to make the occasional comment
At any rate, ignoring the hagiography and statements of the organisations self-conception for now (since its not what PADA thinks that matters in this question, but what those who see PADA and depart from it think about it) it seems to me, as an outside observor that the most prominent statements from PADA and the dominating powers within the same have always been loaded with the terminology, intonations and indeed concepts of secular liberalism. Ergo, it appears to me that liberal secularism, an ideology that is in core ontological ways fundamentally quite opposed to the ideals of moralism, dominates within PADA. Indeed you yourself have noted that several states have actually stated, boldly and abashedly, within the instution that they are opposed to moralism as it is in practice.
Needless to say, this obtuse and direct opposition to a particular ideology from member states within PADA (which easily can be seen as PADA being closed to ideological difference), combined with the clearly inherent liberalism infusing PADA as an organisation distinct from the sum of its parts, AND the inherent hypocrisy and subversiveness of much of the liberal political group in latin america, where they claim to uphold democracy but instantly attack the legitimacy and democratic validity of rightly elected moralist government whenever they get into power... all these things taken together would almost certainly incline many moralist governments to sever the relationship with PADA I should think. Afterall one could construe this as indicating that PADA, as a collective, is opposed to moralist governments. This being so, it would thus indicate PADA becoming not so much a meeting place for peaceful dialogue, but a vehicle for ideological ends, and therefore no longer beneficial to the interests of states not of the dominating ideology (or to be more precise, not of the dominating ontological understanding [here I'd point out that deep down as I see it, proletarism and liberalism are ontologically identical, its only how they manifest that ontology into doctrine that differs between them]) to be a part of. This is not mentioning of course other reasons to leave, like inneficiency, lack of temporal benefit for the nations involved and so forth.
OOC: Yeah, moralist politics are quite a bit of a wedge. The problem is that PADA very well could be a discussion area for moralists and non-moralists alike. However many moralists are following the lead of Brazil and leaving, which threatens to turn PADA into an echo chamber devoid of opposing beliefs.
For myself, Vinland's quite wary of moralism, although our views have ranged between labeling it as a huge threat to democracy, and trying to engage in dialogue with it to repair bridges that were damaged after the Jamaica Affair and the withdrawal of Brazil from the organization. PADA's been in a state of crisis/indecision since that, trying to find its footing. There's a sense that many PADA members joined for a sense of security, rather than for the ideological goals of its founders. In the present state of the world, the threat of foreign intervention into the Americas seems highly unlikely, leaving PADA to debate how vigorously it should apply its doctrine of democratization.
It's all quite funny, really, it seems that PADA can't get a break. When Brazil was in it, we were perceived as Brazilian hangers-on and tools of Rio's foreign policy. When Brazil left, mistaken conceptions changed in the blink of an eye, ending up little more accurate and equally negative.
With the departure of several Latin American nations, I suspect that PADA might be increasingly viewed as an organization of new world protestants, which might be a further wedge in the organization. I'd argue that this is incorrect, but as you noted, popular perception is critical.
Also what do you mean by hagiography in this context? It seems that you are referring to PADA as a religion, with its tenets as metaphorical saints.
OOC: I shall move this discussion to the background thread. I have replied there.
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