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Capto Iugulum: 1920 - 1939

Discussion in 'Never Ending Stories' started by EQandcivfanatic, Oct 17, 2012.

  1. Jehoshua

    Jehoshua Catholic

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    After discussing the current economic difficulties as an observer in the moralist international grouping. The Papal States has prepared after mutual dialogue with the same nations the following trade pact proposal, in which nations committed to upholding Christian morals in the economic system and challenging the immoral practices which have taken root and contributed to the current situation can assist each other collectively and in a context free from liberal and proletarist errors committed to the idea of the common good.

    The proposal is as follows

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    Nations invited to the pact at this time following mutual consultations are the following: (we note that nations not included may request inclusion if they wish, and presuming the consensus approves they will be able to join the pact.)

    Brazil
    Chile
    Uruguay
    Paraguay
    Colombia
    Venezuela
    Nicaragua
    Puerto Rico
    Spain
    Corsica
    Czechy-Morava
    Sardinia

    The Papal States naturally as the proposer would be part of this economic arrangement.

    ~ signed, Pope Pius X
     
  2. Luckymoose

    Luckymoose The World is Mine

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    Signed, First Minister Victor Simões, In the Name of the Emperor and the People of Brazil

    TO: Moralist International
    FROM: Brazil


    We urge our fellows in joining this pact. Our collective efforts to reverse the negative trends of the immoral practices of some nations will be a shining light for the common man.
     
  3. bombshoo

    bombshoo Never mind...

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    Signed, Teófilo Gallo, President Of the Great Nation of Puerto Rican
     
  4. Luckymoose

    Luckymoose The World is Mine

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    TO: Puerto Rico
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    With your approval--as a signing member of the Rome Economic Pact--Brazil is willing to invest at least 4 EP into a new public works project in Puerto Rico this year, with more to come in following years. Construction of new port facilities and an international airport in Puerto Rico are high on the list of investments Brazil is looking into. Thoughts?
     
  5. bombshoo

    bombshoo Never mind...

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    Of course we would be interested in at least the construction of new port facilities.

    OOC: I just put a significant investment into an international airport about two turns ago. I'm not sure anything else is really necessary, at least until flight really picks up as a mode of transportation in general.
     
  6. Luckymoose

    Luckymoose The World is Mine

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    Noted. You will be getting 4EP unless I get more.
     
  7. theDright

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    To: Those signing or considering signing the Rome Economic Pact
    From: Argentina


    While the other 3 articles of this Pact are none of our concern, this 4th article unjustly singles out Argentina for special treatment, out of all of the economies in the world. During periods of normal economic growth, an embargo is simply a trade issue, but in this case, in the midst of a worldwide recession, an embargo is economic warfare. While the signatories' seem to have determined their own views on the matter, the Argentine government must ask, as this Rome Economic Pact is the first we have heard of any embargo and in the interest of the Argentine and global economy, to have this proposed embargo of our film industry deferred until the following year. This will allow the Argentine government to properly legislate and resolve the matter. Otherwise, the Argentine film industry, which employs not only a substantial portion of the citizens of Rosario, but whose profits support many attached service industries nationwide, will be unable to employ and support these people leading to the impoverishment and economic ruination of not only those employed in Rosario, but many others. Expecting Argentine citizens to be impoverished and ruined, and then support moral reform of their film industry, thanking those signatories to the Rome Economic Pact for their newfound poverty, is both ludicrous and repugnant. If all you wish is the possible moral reform of our film industry, then give the Argentine legislature time to resolve the matter. If, instead, this embargo is meant to bring about the abject ruination of many Argentine's lives for selfish political purposes, by all means, do not defer it.

    To: Brazil
    From: Argentina


    We expect Brazil to support the deference of this embargo until the following year, as our ally and trading partner. We are also disappointed that such an embargo was passed without any previous conference on the matter with Argentina.
     
  8. Luckymoose

    Luckymoose The World is Mine

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    Such theft is not for the good of the common man. Argentine film makers must prove their morality through business practices, with no hesitation. We also fully expect the Argentine film industry to respect Brazilian copyrights. Until reform has happened, the embargo on Argentine film products must be pushed through. We cannot support an industry that steals, lies, and corrupts.
     
  9. theDright

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    OOC: It's still not apparent to me that we have an international copyright protection system in this timeline. As it appears to not be the case, I have based my response upon that.

    To: Brazil
    From: Argentina


    We expect to be granted the time to legislate reform and reform the customs of the film industry, without having to impoverish the 'common man' of Argentina. Brazilian copyright has no legal rights in Argentina, just as Argentine copyright does not in Brazil. Perhaps this should not be the case. Nevertheless, placing embargo upon your greatest ally and trading partner in a time of recession, without prior warning or other complaint, is unfriendly and unjust. If the signatories to the Rome Economic Pact desire moral reform brought about by moral means, we will be given the time to legislate. We also have no idea where the notion that our film industry 'lies' comes from. Your last missive is the first time it has been mentioned anywhere.
     
  10. Luckymoose

    Luckymoose The World is Mine

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    This is merely an embargo on Argentine film, not other industries. It should have a negligible effect on your economy, or our trade. The problems come from the immorality of the industry at present, promoting anti-moralist ideals and stealing the rights of foreigners. Argentina copyright is followed in Brazil, and we'd expect the same from you. Ownership lies with the creator, and using it without permission for the purpose of greed is unacceptable. So until such a time as our property is respected in Argentina, no Argentine films will be promoted or sold in Brazil.
     
  11. Jehoshua

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    To: Argentina
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    With regards to article four of the Rome Economic Pact, the Papal States notes that the aforesaid article applies only while the current state of affairs of gross immorality in the Argentine film industry, both in terms of content and business practice, remains in place. As soon as Argentina behoves itself to act in accordance with the divine law as governments have a duty to do, and ensure moral principles are upheld in its film industry then it is only reasonable for states that profess the teachings of Our Lord to take a stand against it, as is their sovereign right within their own nations. The onus for moral change thus rests with the Argentine government, and more importantly with the industry leaders themselves who have produced the infamous vulgarities which Rosario has become known for. The article thus serves not only a punitive, but a medicative role in promoting virtue and repentance through action amongst those who have become corrupted by vice. The extent of harm to workers in the argentine film industry is entirely dependant on how long it takes for positive change to occur, and on how many nations join the Rome Economic Pact.

    We note here also for the benefit of your government, that our opposition rests not purely on secular law, which those who have forgotten God uphold as the sole rule upon human life. But rather with the law of God, which is known through revelation and human reason and is self-evident in nature. To this higher law, which all human law must be an implementation of to be truly lawful, we submit our opposition to an industry that promotes the deceptions of the devil through its content, that steals away the property of others for its own greedy purposes, and which corrupts society in general.

    ~ Secretary for Relations with States.

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    ooc: As you just read, the article is not referring to any copyright system, but rather to Christian teaching. You could say that the Argentine film industry having become notorious for its behaviour, and the economic crisis have colluded together to tip the scales in favour of creating an international norm against such immoral business practices. Ergo we're creating a copyright norm here, not referring to one.
     
  12. theDright

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    To: Brazil
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    Our film industry is a fairly important component of our economy, and as such, should be granted the time to legislate properly.

    As for the immorality of the industry at present, movies which promote anti-moralist ideals are legal, as freedom of speech and of religion are guaranteed in Argentina. If social, political, or religious commentary is not permitted in Brazil any longer, then we question whether or not Brazil has the same guarantees of the freedoms of religion and speech which made Brazil one of the world's leading democracies. Perhaps some means of rating films, so that parents and filmgoers can choose what they choose to see may be implemented.

    As for stealing the rights of foreigners, foreigners which own property in Argentina certainly have their rights protected, as do foreigners which hold copyrights in Argentina. The government is baffled at how, even with the remarkable global success of certain novels, plays, and films, some authors have neglected to acquire the Argentine copyrights to their work. Should agreements be struck, by which one nation respects another nation's copyrights? Perhaps.

    The Argentine government has requested a stay of embargo, of no more than a year, until proper legislative means have been applied to the problem, for the sake of the common people who work for and with our film industry. This deference is completely moral, especially for an issue in which no government has complained previously.

    OOC: EQ just told me that a fairly universal mutual recognition of copyright agreements does not exist in this timeline. Take your anachronisms and shove them. This wouldn't be a problem if they already existed.
     
  13. Luckymoose

    Luckymoose The World is Mine

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    TO: Argentina
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    Theft and immoral entertainment are not part of freedom of religion or speech. They are universal corruptions on the spirit of the common man. If the rights of citizens in Adjuuramark are not respected by the greed-driven film industry, what protects Brazilians? We do not actively seek to steal your property, but you allow the theft of ours as if it is normal. Theft is a sin. We do not support thieves.

    Argentina must sign a binding international treaty to respect the rights of Brazilian and other Moralist International citizens. Nothing less will be tolerated.

    OOC: There may be no universal copyright laws, but that doesn't mean such theft would be allowed. The rights of Brazilians are protected by our government, and if a foreign industry attempts to use stolen Brazilian property to make a profit it can legally be shut down.
     
  14. Jehoshua

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    OOC: replacing Moralist International with Foreign, considering there are no Moralist International citizens, only Colombian, etc etc citizens.
     
  15. Luckymoose

    Luckymoose The World is Mine

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    OOC: Citizens within the Moralist International sphere of countries.
     
  16. EQandcivfanatic

    EQandcivfanatic Zailing Captain Retired Moderator

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    Consider this the 48 hour warning to get orders in.

    To: Puerto Rico
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    We have not been negotiating. We are simply informing you that we are returning your sailors and ships, regardless of your own sentiments towards the result of your disastrous attack upon our peace loving nation. The only thing preventing a return would be negligence or stubbornness on your behalf. We have more than paid for the kind treatment of these sailors and the maintenance of the vessel. We also lost our own sailors and ship in your act of aggression. You will have your sailors and ship, but nothing else. We sincerely hope that you will not take any action to prevent these men's safe return home to their families.
     
  17. Luckymoose

    Luckymoose The World is Mine

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    I'll just keep them.
     
  18. Milarqui

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    Signed,
    Fernando de Trastámara, Sixth of His Name, Emperor of the First Republic of the United Spanish Empire
    Eduardo Gómez, Prime Minister of the First Republic of the United Spanish Empire
     
  19. christos200

    christos200 Never tell me the odds

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    Today Commander Hollande, along with General De Gaulle, has created the "New France" Party to run in the elections. The Party promises a new era of economic prosperity, closer ties with the other French states, an end to Proletarism and modernization and expansion of the Military. It is expected that the Party will win with a huge majority the coming elections.
     
  20. ChineseWarlord

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    Christos, why do you continue the path of militarism? Do you want the rest of the world to annihilate you into oblivion?
     

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