Carthage, the undefeatable civ

[A Rabid Dopsis]

It's technically possible to have an inaccessible tile surrounded by mountains. Send a Carthage...ian(?) settler over them, found your city... and BOOM you can never be (totally) beaten.

Ya, I may have lost my mind from waiting.

 

[Xen]

Carthaginian. The word you're looking for is Carthaginian.

 

[Callonia]

You're mistaken, as long as it's not a capital. Any city will be totally eradicated after being hit by 3 nukes in a row.

As in, Razed from the map.

 

[Bandersnatching]

But if it is your last city, then doesn't the Palace (which denotes status as the capital) get relocated there? Making it your new capital city, and thus impossible to destroy?

 

[A Rabid Dopsis]

But if it is your last city, then doesn't the Palace (which denotes status as the capital) get relocated there? Making it your new capital city, and thus impossible to destroy?

I would have thought this but now that I think of it I'm probably wrong. Eh, you'd be safe for a loooong time, though.

MY DREAM!! MY BEAUTIFUL DREAM!

 

[Nyanko]

You're mistaken, as long as it's not a capital. Any city will be totally eradicated after being hit by 3 nukes in a row.

As in, Razed from the map.

Not nessessarily.
A city with a population below 5 (or so!) will be raised with only one ICBM strike. I've taken out cities with a single ICBM, did so in a game just today.

 

[Glassmage]

new capital yes! but only the original capital is invulnerable.

 

[HardRocker]

This is now my battle plan for my first domination game

 

[Bandersnatching]

new capital yes! but only the original capital is invulnerable.

That's what I was thinking, but I wasn't sure.
So, the answer is simple: don't settle your first city until you find a location completely surrounded by mountains. Afterwards, you are invulnerable.

 

[Nyanko]

That's what I was thinking, but I wasn't sure.
So, the answer is simple: don't settle your first city until you find a location completely surrounded by mountains. Afterwards, you are invulnerable.

... unless your settler gets eaten by barbarians

 

[A Rabid Dopsis]

That's what I was thinking, but I wasn't sure.
So, the answer is simple: don't settle your first city until you find a location completely surrounded by mountains. Afterwards, you are invulnerable.

There's the catch. Carthaginian (yay!) units can't cross mountains without a great general appearing first. That would have to be one hell of a starting warrior.

I realise I'm now actively arguing against my original idea.

 

[HardRocker]

That's what I was thinking, but I wasn't sure.
So, the answer is simple: don't settle your first city until you find a location completely surrounded by mountains. Afterwards, you are invulnerable.

No, because then your capital city is worthless. I usually have my capital city as the largest, most efficient metropolis in my empire until the very end of the game.

EDIT: btw, does anyone recall what the Mayan UA was? can't find info on it...

 

[Callonia]

And you're also forgetting about Paratroopers, they can jump over mountain ranges to get at that your exclusive mountain city. Only way it'll be invincible is if its a single hex and you plop your original capital down there.

Then no matter what, no amount of icbms in the world will destroy you.

Even paratroopers can't get at you cuz all the hexes is mountains.

At this point, only the rising seas will kill you, but that'll require civ4 xD

 

[Bandersnatching]

There's the catch. Carthaginian (yay!) units can't cross mountains without a great general appearing first. That would have to be one hell of a starting warrior.

I realise I'm now actively arguing against my original idea.

You know, they should make that an achievement: gain over 200 XP with your starting warrior - and to do that you'd need to be at war with an AI civ, you couldn't just fight barbarians - get your GG, settle your first city on the single-hex zone surrounded by mountains. All the while not losing your settler to barbs.

This is dependent on whether or not you can even get a GG without founding your first city, of course.

I'm also not advocating this as an actual strategy. But it sure would be awesome to do.

Hardrocker: invulnerability isn't the same thing as efficiency. Sure, your capital wouldn't start off with workable tiles, and would suck for most of the game, but the tradeoff is that nobody will take it, ever. If the game is set so that you can only win via Domination, then with an untakeable city, you could never lose.

EDIT: This is the released info for the Mayan UA, found on the CiV Analyst site:
The Long Count (Maya): After researching Theology, receive a bonus great person at the end of every Maya calendar cycle ( 394 years ).
EDIT EDIT: Blast, ninja'd.

 

[Captain Fargle]

No, because then your capital city is worthless. I usually have my capital city as the largest, most efficient metropolis in my empire until the very end of the game.

EDIT: btw, does anyone recall what the Mayan UA was? can't find info on it...

Mayan UA is The Long Count.

"After researching theology, receive a bonus great person at the end of every Maya calendar cycle ( 394 years )."

 

[Babri]

Ur capital can never be invulnerable because u need a GG & for that to happen u need to establish first & then fight battles.

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

Carthage might be undestroyable Civilization, but that doesn't mean it prevents you from winning a dOmination victory.

The rules for domination victory state that in order to win a Domination Victory, ALL but YOURS original capitals have to be taken over. So as long as the City of Carthage is captured, and everybody else is wiped out, you still win Domination Victory.

 

[fuzzatron717]

Remember adopting the honour policy warrior code I think it was called gives you a free great general.

 

[Pax_Romanus]

I think it was the first GG earned through combat, though. At least, that's what I recall hearing about it.

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

Remember adopting the honour policy warrior code I think it was called gives you a free great general.

It might not work at all.. The achievement "Get 100 Generals" does not count any Generals earned via the Honor Tree, Hagia Sophia, or the Liberty Finisher. So it is very likely possible the same rule will apply to Carthage's ability.