I'd probably thank you for shooting me tbhIf I had four guns in hand I'd shoot Syns, Arakhor, Gamez, and Poli
I'd probably thank you for shooting me tbhIf I had four guns in hand I'd shoot Syns, Arakhor, Gamez, and Poli
I posted already at the time that LordArgon the paragon of townieness seemed inactive and it looked as if it might have been him in antispew mode. I wanted to lynch biancasbotique but between LordArgon and topsecret who was actually willing to get lynched I thought the potential anti-scum-mode LA was the better lynch and actually stood by my words.
Now it's strange, but from an alleged 5-4 we went to (going by one of pzelda's posts) 6-2.
I'm one of the would-be targets today, so not really. If I have to vote, it'll be to self-pres. Otherwise it looks like the guys with the plan have got it all figured out.
Notably he says that Tims is the most sus and I do see the world where Tims maf, but he really hasn't done a good job at establishing it. I feel like he's jabbing at Tims posts every so often when he tries to get people to respond to him (the multiple choice questions were weird I'll say that though)Timothy.
Everyone's effectively null except for Tim, Evan, and Bianca. The latter two may just be unfamiliarity at play; I don't sus Phoenicks despite the gun rush. That just seems like chaos along the lines of Argon/Takh.
Punchy feels like Empoof from that one game. He did flip scum, but the behaviour is ambiguous enough that I don't see it as a "kill immediately" problem. But this comes up every game I play in, and I'll reiterate it here again: I don't think who gets lynched D1 matters as much as how people respond to that lynch. Even if it's me that dies. This is also why I'm not voting; I just don't think my vote really matters today unless it's to self-pres. I don't really care who dies today. I care about how people respond to whoever dies.
Everyone else, aka the CFCers, are pretty much acting as they always do. TS is a little aloof but if he is busy IRL, it matches up with the previous times he's been busy IRL. So I can't really point at "Takh being Takh," "Argon being Argon," "TS being antagonistic," as genuine reads on D1 that should be acted on with any level of confidence.
Of note, since play per cycle is mandated, Poliwhirl is about to get mod-killed. By D2, three people will have died, or four if someone did manage to buy a gun. Reducing the pool by that much will provide a lot of information for future reading.
Seems perfectly Argon to me. His D1 is always nonsensical. Right out the gate he tried to accept a trade and then started a new trade for the same resources in reverse. How is this different from the no-role-claiming game where he claimed roles? Or from the game where he fake claimed? Or from the game where...
Everyone's effectively null except for Tim, Evan, and Bianca. The latter two may just be unfamiliarity at play; I don't sus Phoenicks despite the gun rush. That just seems like chaos along the lines of Argon/Takh.
Punchy feels like Empoof from that one game. He did flip scum, but the behaviour is ambiguous enough that I don't see it as a "kill immediately" problem. But this comes up every game I play in, and I'll reiterate it here again: I don't think who gets lynched D1 matters as much as how people respond to that lynch. Even if it's me that dies. This is also why I'm not voting; I just don't think my vote really matters today unless it's to self-pres. I don't really care who dies today. I care about how people respond to whoever dies.
Everyone else, aka the CFCers, are pretty much acting as they always do. TS is a little aloof but if he is busy IRL, it matches up with the previous times he's been busy IRL. So I can't really point at "Takh being Takh," "Argon being Argon," "TS being antagonistic," as genuine reads on D1 that should be acted on with any level of confidence.
Of note, since play per cycle is mandated, Poliwhirl is about to get mod-killed. By D2, three people will have died, or four if someone did manage to buy a gun. Reducing the pool by that much will provide a lot of information for future reading.
The hell? vote: Timsup2nothin
I will say I vibed with the aboveIs it just me or -besides non-posters like poliwhirl- there's a handful of posters flying completely under the radar? The thread feels as if it were mostly me, Tim, Csargo, Dolbster, a side-dish of topsecret, a smattering of biancasbotique, a pinch of punchy and evan, a whiff of Arakhor, all seasoned in vintage JohannaK, and that's it.
I'm ok with this tbhI'm ~180 posts behind, catching up with the thread, but so far:
unvote; vote: biancasbotique
For both parts, both the cheerful scumminess and the willingness to lynch an inactive on D1 and so yield as little information as possible. This is behaviour that only helps the mafia.
Now we get to the interesting part, Tak's decision to vote for LA over TS at EoD. TS isn't necessarily scum for this but that wagon stankOh hi I've just read up to this. See above, I voted for biancasbotique on post #896, but when I posted that I got a preview of a post that said it was 3-3 between LordArgon and topsecret (on claimed votes at least) so I don't know between them because I still have over a hundred unread posts to sort out.
This interpretation of what LA was doing feels disingenuous. TS's defense was basically, "idk guys I'm lazy" and to hope that town thought that was enough. LA was literally not here, at all. He showed up in the morning, before he had any votes on him, and was gone before the first vote on him was castYou know, this thread feels odd. topsecret is actually explaining his method of defence only a few pages ago. LordArgon seems to have vanished while in the lead, just to let topsecret stew in his own juice, with the added benefit of yielding as little information as posssible (in MU terms, ‘anti-spew mode’), so I am much inclined to just lynch LordArgon if we have to choose between the two.
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As I posted earlier in our Star Trek mafia game we lynched 3 out of 4 scum on days 1, 3 and 4. I was the doctor, mislynched on D2 by an action that made the mafioso lynched on D4 a caught wolf from then on.
It has been proposed that people use separate tags to (at least claim to) differentiate between a preference for the lynch and the actual casting of a vote, which would take resources.
(and subsequent posts)
Two posters arriving to give moral support to other individuals (who, by sheer numbers, cannot all be mafia) who are tilting the balance in favour of lynching LordArgon rather than topsecret is certainly worth the tinfoil hat… could it be a sort of double bluff, though? Trying to goad us into spiting them to save their actual fellow mafioso LordArgon? I don't remember playing with biancasbotique or Phoenicks ever before.
Remember that I thought he might just have engaged antispew mode.
Slightly townieI think representative plan is good, at least in the initial stages of the game, because town is going to outproduce mafia on resources early in the game. Since mafia has perfect information, if it’s free-for-all voting then mafia can conserve resources by not voting when there’s like v/v wagon. Delegate voting narrows the playing field by only causing a loss of net 2-6 resources per vote.
I think that this is interesting dependent on TS's alignmentoh yeah re: Topsecret—imo trading your vote away seems more townie than scummie. Town often kinda doesn't care what the d1 lynch would be and would rather have the shiny button to press, Wolves would probably be more cautious in case something goes bad early
I’d like to put on record that if Tim is off the table today my preference goes:
Least lynch-happy
Other people
G1K
Syn
LordArgon
Tak
Gamez
TS
Most lynch-happy
Here he is affirming it againDon’t really feel like voting for Syn today and between TS & Argon I’d prefer to lynch TS
Ok this is interesting, occurs half an hour before EoD. Honestly I would've preferred it if he stuck to his gut tbh, at least for the sake of reading him. This strongly cheapens with want to lynch TS though.1) Tim’s stock is rising since he quit doing those weird shenanigans
2) Even if Tim is scummy I’m not certain he’s the right lynch for today
3) Voting costs resources. I’m not sold that the difference between lynching Argon and lynching TS is worth it
4) Because of 2, people are going to be acting weirdly at EOD because they don’t want to get caught being the ones who have to pay. Leaving a vote on Tim will cause potential chaos and waste resources which isn’t worth a lynch I’m not even sure I want to make.
Nah that vote was directly inspired by Phoenicks' post because I saw a chance to get some answers and reactions out of Punchy when they were already in a high-pressure situation.
That's a interesting and large change and I'd like you to explain more why he's gone from scum to town so quicklyFor the record: I have Tim as a townlean right now because I like the reasoning and motives behind that Punchy vote.
Included for posterity, I think it's a weird reaction for scum to have, but fakeableSince we have no idea who can even vote reliably, this set-up seems crazily unbalanced if the mafia can just kill people freely at night.
@pzelda Does the day end on Saturday or Sunday?
What a ridiculous thing to say. Either you totally failed to look up the resource list or you're just squirting hot air in an attempt to confuse people.
Well, I never do on Day One, but Bianca has certainly crashed down in estimation of late. As it happens though, I now have the ability to vote, so I think I know who I'll be voting for at the moment.
I'm sorry, but gives strong lynch inactives/Policy lynch vibesI'd be willing to lynch Biancasbotique or Argon today. I disagree with Punchy's assertion that I've been wolfy, because if trying to get town to vote and (you know) do stuff is wolfy, then nothing is town.
Here's where I start to have to a problem with Arakhor. He keeps pushing Bianca and she's pretty much the only person that he's mentioned in multiple posts, but he's pushing her for genuine poor decision making that there's simply no way that oppertunistic maf does in public for the explicit purpose of "hehehe, let's convince town to make incredibly obvious poor decisions!". On top of it, as far as I'm concerned, him suggesting that Argon and Bianca are the best lynches could easily be him suggesting that they're the easiest mislynches.Bianca's not getting lynched today, but I'm finding your increasingly contradictory defence of her to be rather suspect.
His antagonism at EoD, I feel at least, hasn't been a good look, and there's a lot of it. This is a lot of why I've moved from a low green to an orange, but ultimately it doesn't feel like a towny mindset, ultimately it's not productive, which can seen again below and in a lot of his EoD.Do you want me to vote for you? I'm not the wolf you're looking for.
Making anti-town decisions in full view of everyone else is her usual town meta? Poor her.
Don't flatter yourself. You're really not that important to me.
Everyone outside of you, Dolbster, and Tak are pretty much null in my eyes. Maybe add Johanna to that list, but that's for weak meta reasons related to number of posts.
Disagree that TS trading away his vote is susFoS:Synsensa, FoS:TopSecret
Syn's just sort of fluff posting and liking posts but not really contributing and TS is worthy of consideration for trading away his vote imo. That just doesn't sit well with me for the reasons he described.
I like Dolby, Tims, Tak
I'll have to ISO people tomorrow there's a couple more people who seemed good on my initial read through, but I'd like to read everything again after some sleep.
More reserved, risk-averse, ect. He still is somewhat like Tims described but it's usually a very toned down version. Tak won't go out of the way to draw attention towards himself. I don't particularly see that in his posts here.
This is a bunch of nulls, I appreciate his MJ read going against the grain of the thread at the time. I feel like this is more involved that scum Csargo, also a bit more involved than last game to, but that game just felt like everyone was bleh nullMJ: Just a bunch of mechanics talk and voting low posters. This looks pretty similar to last game so far, I'd probably put MJ slightly below null at this point. @Marcher Jovian can you explain your Tak vote.
Arakhor: Is just null. He made a couple of good points, but mostly it's not enough for me to be confident in shifting him down or up.
Lord Argon: Mostly stuff about resources and trade offers. Null.
JohannaK:
I was leaning slightly town for JohannaK last night for admittedly bad meta reasons. I don't particularly like this post, mostly because my opinion is it's a really bad idea. I think it benefits scum more so than town. Sort of up in the air about Johanna atm.
I'll continue on a bit later probably.
Liked thisI might be wrong but I read it as more that Syn just hasn't fully developed genuine reads on a lot of people, and not he's just outright refusing to make any. I could be totally off on that and you're correct. I'm honestly not entirely sure.
I think that all three of us think that this is natural town Biancabtw I am buying ore so I can get alignment status
ok thanks! i have no intention of buying a gun--too scummy
btw i will be accumulating ores so i can buy that alignment thingie
I am wary of people buying wood
Again, town Biancaand brick too
well those people buying them can buy scummy resources such as block , gun etc. I love people buying ores as they might have a sligth chance they are buying them for alignment
This one where she basically nulls all of us makes me want to hold back on TRing herPunchy is punchy. I am always 50/50 on him. His playstyle is the same as mafia or town. Evan, I've never seen him at least me produce a read early phases of the game, I could be wrong. btw I am biased towards Evan. I always see him as town.
As for Dolby, I am always scared of Dolby Mafia
Vote #No Lynch
Although It is a fake vote. I have no resource for it!
I know! It is very anti-town but I am confused so it is really like a statement lynch from me
You know if I have a vote, I will definitely vote POLIster for being inactive
I am actually opposed to a Topsecret vote. I prefer LordAragon over TS
This is bad smhHmm..I've never seen Dolby go all exclamation points ....scummy points
I think that he should consider posting less, both here and probably in Champs because they have post caps each day.
Tims: "If I had a gun with four bullets and was in a room with: a mafioso, a wolf, a scum, a godfather, and Takhisis, I'd shooot Takhisis four times"Pzelda missed Csargo's vote. Final count was 6-3. The same f'ing post that showed you as the 5-4 listed the votes that came after yours, so your disingenuous nonsense continues to be annoying.
I recant. If I had four guns in hand I'd shoot Takhisis four times and go on with the game.
I made my case for Argon. He was scummy af, shifty, and larhely absent. He was bad so I voted for him, and then I could not move because every vote could be decisive. Simple as that.
Fwiw Tims, and it’s 2 am here, I don’t really think that Jo/TS is a super probable scum team because Jo didn’t really fight hard to lynch LA I don’t think? Though things to keep in mind is that when Jo voted TS and maybe Tak were the viable wagons.
Basically my point is yeah they could be teammates, but I don’t see that tinfoil.
2 am gonna sleep
I guess GK is nullish for me
If I had four guns in hand I'd shoot Syns, Arakhor, Gamez, and Poli
His antagonism at EoD, I feel at least, hasn't been a good look, and there's a lot of it. This is a lot of why I've moved from a low green to an orange, but ultimately it doesn't feel like a towny mindset, ultimately it's not productive, which can seen again below and in a lot of his EoD.
I think Syns and Gamez are looking seriously bad on this list.
Ok I found out this out after writing the above, but I'm pretty that Syn copied Punchy "giving Empoof vibes that one game" from Jo. Also interesting that Jo didn't like that post
This means that someone in “JohannaK, Arakhor, Golden1Knight, Takhisis, PunchyTheCat” did a fake vote and I’m interested in learning who.