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Cavaleiros Embassy

Discussion in 'Team SANCTA' started by General_W, Mar 4, 2009.

  1. AutomatedTeller

    AutomatedTeller Frequent poster

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    perhaps, from his point of view, we are acting like smegheads. I'm not saying we are... all I'm saying is that there are multiple sides to everything.

    If they really thought they had more time to make this decision, their team might be outraged.

    If we care about making Cav an ally, we should probably stop talking about them dismissively internally, cause that attitude will show up in our diplomacy.
     
  2. IamJohn

    IamJohn (was)?

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    It's really the fact that they treat this as a duel of honor, instead of a fun and interesting game that irritates me. We take this game seriously, but we enjoy the game, and what happens happens, for them however it's completely different.
     
  3. Krill

    Krill Chieftain

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    We can't get Cav as an ally any more...they are in bed with MS, we are in bed with Saturn. Now it's a fight to the death.


    Basically, that's just it. I don't really care if we lose, as this is an FFA...3rd place is the average position. I'm just playing this for a bit of fun and the interaction of the teams and the separate players, not to play the perfect game. Although I can see why people would think otherwise on that last point ;)
     
  4. dutchfire

    dutchfire Moderator Moderator

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    Would it perhaps be an idea to get a fresh start with them by getting someone else to chat with them? (I believe the General has good contact with Niklas).
     
  5. Memphus

    Memphus Chieftain

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    :goodjob: Be my guest! throw me under the bus if you need to (say I am crazy) :crazyeye:

    Either way IMO the situation can't get worse...
     
  6. Memphus

    Memphus Chieftain

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    New chat with Cav.

    Spoiler :

    Memphus says:
    thks for yesterday sorry i missed you
    Memphus says:
    (and now i have a meeting at work in 5 mintues)
    Unconquered Sun says:
    well now I have to congratulate you on the Mids
    Memphus says:
    hopefully you guys wern't building it?
    Unconquered Sun says:
    nah
    Memphus says:
    we were tempted to grab the HG with it. but figured you guys deserve it!
    Unconquered Sun says:
    well thanks
    Unconquered Sun says:
    but you couldnt
    Unconquered Sun says:
    our seers are unsurpassed
    Memphus says:
    for 2 more turns
    Unconquered Sun says:
    2 turns are a lot of time...
    Memphus says:
    yes they are! hence why we didn't gamble ok back in an hour hope you are here!
    Unconquered Sun says:
    Im handing over turnplayer atm
    Unconquered Sun says:
    take care
    Memphus
    Memphus says:
    handling over?
    Memphus says:
    so you will no longer be the turn player?
    Unconquered Sun says:
    handing over
    Unconquered Sun says:
    nope
    Memphus says:
    you were fast!
    Unconquered Sun says:
    Cavs generally change players every 10 turns
    Unconquered Sun says:
    yeah, I know
    Unconquered Sun says:
    you are too
    Memphus says:
    because i can play at work
    Unconquered Sun says:
    well, good for you
    Memphus says:
    so was there any more discussion of a trade for currency (or Feudalism)? I assume MC is off the table now that Kaz has it.
    Unconquered Sun says:
    no
    Unconquered Sun says:
    it was decided Kaz had too much invested in MC, and we had some invested in Currency
    Memphus says:
    Ok good to know.
    Memphus says:
    what about anything for feudalism then?
    Unconquered Sun says:
    I don't really deal with the diplo stuff
    Memphus says:
    ok that is fair.
    Unconquered Sun says:
    yeah. I mostly dealt with the micro for henge/HG before your GE pop
    Memphus says:
    to ensure we couldn't beat you? or just to maximize?
    Unconquered Sun says:
    the former
    Unconquered Sun says:
    you've settled enough cities to make HG viable
    Unconquered Sun says:
    then again, Mids is most useful for the team with the least cottages, isn't it
    Memphus says:
    yes we have. Keeping up to your traits as the ultimate REX'ers hasn't been easy....
    Memphus says:
    Mids are are a crazy strategy we cooked up with a new type of economy, first tested in this MTDG.
    Memphus says:
    It is well documented in our forums and will be an itnerestign read after!
    Unconquered Sun says:
    can't wait
    Memphus says:
    The Oracle build was part of that. Yup who would of though a 1 turn Oralce was possible?
    Unconquered Sun says:
    anything is possible
    Memphus says:
    Except MS answering diplo
    Unconquered Sun says:

    Unconquered Sun says:
    I'm surprised DaveMc still talks to you, considering you don't cottage
    Memphus says:
    No one said we don't cottage
    Memphus says:
    You said that.
    Unconquered Sun says:
    heh
    Unconquered Sun says:
    you don't cottage enough
    Unconquered Sun says:
    according to Dave's standard that is
    Unconquered Sun says:
    not me or anyone on Cav
    Memphus says:
    hmmm
    Memphus says:
    well cottages wouldn't have kept us on pace pace with the ultimate REX's i don't think.
    Memphus says:
    nor would they have helped us walk through Kaz.
    Memphus says:
    but yeah I guess for Dave we are about 15% light on cottages. But we know that and have a different plan.
    Unconquered Sun says:
    sounds like you have fun
    Unconquered Sun says:
    I joined Cavs late
    Unconquered Sun says:
    and while there is a lot of strategy yet to be determined
    Memphus says:
    yeah i saw that too bad
    Unconquered Sun says:
    some things were pre-decided
    Memphus says:
    the first 100 turns are always very critical for strategy
    Unconquered Sun says:
    I personally like to develop new strategies on pitboss too
    Memphus says:
    but one thing we have found out is the map is far from balanced
    Unconquered Sun says:

    Unconquered Sun says:
    on the flip side all teams feel like that
    Memphus says:
    but yeah this hands down is the most non-typical strategy i have ever used.
    Unconquered Sun says:
    IMO no map but mirror/equal is balanced
    Unconquered Sun says:
    right
    Unconquered Sun says:
    then I'll vote to keep you guys alive longer - and see the strategy
    Memphus says:
    you could ditch Kaz and join US until you take out MS
    Memphus says:
    cause at thier Rate Kaz is in a pickle unless you guys go away from your peaceful nature, but that is agiasn't oyzar and niklas strategy
    Memphus says:
    they like peace until liberalism
    Unconquered Sun says:
    well, teams matter
    Unconquered Sun says:
    I get the feeling you on SANCTA have the decision-making process worked out
    Unconquered Sun says:
    Cav is a democracy - sometimes a chaotic democracy
    Unconquered Sun says:
    it's hard to please all the wings
    Unconquered Sun says:
    that's part of the fun of MTDG
    Unconquered Sun says:
    as is the fact that at any moment a new player can join a team and make a difference
    Memphus says:
    well we are definetly a democracy but i get your point!
    Memphus says:
    and I know alot of Cav players defienetly won't change their mind about us
    Unconquered Sun says:
    btw, did Indiansmoke play on Kaz from the start?
    Memphus says:
    I don't think so. but he may of jsut been a silent member?
    Unconquered Sun says:
    no idea
    Unconquered Sun says:
    what I know from other games is
    Unconquered Sun says:
    he's probably their best general atm
    Unconquered Sun says:
    so him joining Kaz might matter at some point
    Unconquered Sun says:
    same goes for Saturn/MS: they could get better/more active players any day
    Memphus says:
    They could. But Right now Kaz was in a war and jsut built the GL
    Unconquered Sun says:
    saturn losing silver city to bad turnplay must hurt
    Memphus says:
    i guess so?
    Unconquered Sun says:
    I find Kaz war policy somewhat questionable myself, but who knows what's up on their forums? One day we'll know
    Memphus says:
    yup can't wait!
    Memphus says:
    but i gotta go now time to drive hoem from work. later! chat again sometime.
    Unconquered Sun says:
    cya

     
  7. AutomatedTeller

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    are we going to ask them what their chariot's intentions are?
     
  8. General_W

    General_W Councilor & Merlot Noble

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    Test post from my new Blackberry...

    That was a more productive chat than we've had lately. :thumbsup:
    No need to assign blame - I think we all just agree that for whatever reason talking to Niklas right now (for Memphus and Krill at least) isn't super productive.

    I'n hope to start having more time on CFC here in about a week - but it is another 2 months before I'm totally done with the "takeover" phase of my new business... So we'll just have to see.
     
  9. Krill

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    Good luck with the new job title, G_W. Hope you find being the boss to be both productive, and fun :)
     
  10. Memphus

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    I give up....i tried being nice all the way through. but at the end i kinda lost my nerve. sorry everyone.

    Spoiler :

    Memphus says:
    howdy turnplayer!
    Morgan says:
    Hello there.
    Morgan says:
    Hello?
    Memphus says:
    hey
    Memphus says:
    how goes the MTDG? congrats on the HG! the turn i predicted. nicely done.
    Memphus says:
    if only my betting in RL was that good
    Morgan says:
    well, thank you very much. Your 'Mids are a slight to behold we are told.
    Memphus says:
    they have some pros and cons
    Memphus says:
    so what is cav's next move
    Morgan says:
    in what respect?
    Memphus says:
    any
    Memphus says:
    i mean the HG was a goal you guys would of planned since day 1 along with the HR warrior spam
    Memphus says:
    so i am curious where the engine goes from there
    Memphus says:
    the strategy is laid out until HG is done
    Memphus says:
    but then typically in SP from that point war is declared.
    Morgan says:
    war is one of many options in SP. i'm sure it would be the the same here.
    Morgan says:
    your team seems to be keen on the old warefare element though.
    Memphus says:
    ah yes so based on the topogrophy that would mean you declaring on Saturn? Although KAz told me MS had something up thier sleeve
    Memphus says:
    yeah the warfare for SANCTA...interesting really agiasnt my style
    Memphus says:
    typically the way i see is anyone who declares war prior to maces loses
    Memphus says:
    but...kaz gave us no choice. we are working towards peace we hope now...but the longer we (kaz as well) at war the easier your ultimate win is
    Morgan says:
    is the desputed city the one our chariot has passed by?
    Memphus says:
    yes
    Memphus says:
    but we feel it is no longer in dispute
    Morgan says:
    you may be right there, it seems you have alot of influance there.
    Memphus says:
    as you can see we have quite the expansive investment in the area...
    Memphus says:
    Kaz's claim while it was cute, they cealrly didn't invest towards it as we did.
    Memphus says:
    as such we have offered them peace, becasue we feel we won the battle of the war ofr the city.
    Memphus says:
    but they don't wish peace yet.
    Morgan says:
    perhaps Kaz feel the war is still in the balance, i don't know.
    Memphus says:
    i think they do.
    Memphus says:
    they do have a large tech advantage
    Morgan says:
    i would think that city will be your border city?
    Memphus says:
    it is the plan. as I had mentioned to Niklas and Oyzat ealier should Cav wish to take our relationship 1 step to the friendlier side, we would sign an agreement outline no further SW expansion, into clearly what is your influence of territory.
    Morgan says:
    that sounds sensible, we do consider that area to be our territory.
    Memphus says:
    so would you like us to draft something up? your chariot will need OB soon (3 turns) or he won't be able to return home
    Morgan says:
    please do, we are always keen to listen
    Memphus says:
    alright well help me out what should i put in it?
    Morgan says:
    sorry Mephus i only work 9-5
    Memphus says:
    rofl
    Morgan says:
    you have a good team - i'm sure you can write a short note etc
    Memphus says:
    haha our team is alright. we thrive on participation
    Memphus says:
    brings lots of insight!
    Memphus says:
    so what of that chariot?
    Memphus says:
    where does he go?
    Morgan says:
    which one is that? the one near the border city?
    Memphus says:
    haha yes i assume you have more than one
    Memphus says:
    the only one we can see. by the border city
    Memphus says:
    as i said. when the border of TKY expand, it is kinda trapped, but we are open ot OB for major $$ in trade routes for you guys
    Morgan says:
    yep trade routes are always good. not sure on the chariot, i'll have to check the map - it's probable that i'll have to bring him back, i have some work lined up for him. on the otherhand he may scout.
    Memphus says:
    well if he retraces his step next turn he can get out
    Memphus says:
    if he doesnt then we need OB for him to reutnr to your other duties
    Memphus says:
    those barb cities pop up all over eh?
    Morgan says:
    thanks for the heads up. i like monarch barbs, much easier
    Memphus says:
    yeah they are simple
    Memphus says:
    but kaz decided they would of rahter no barbs
    Memphus says:
    they feel we got the city due to barbs
    Memphus says:
    but as you can assue them we have a city next door, which would of been settled on that site ~5 turns sonner had barbs not been there
    Morgan says:
    these things happen i suppose, you guys seem quite tight with Saturn we see.
    Memphus says:
    we have someone to trade with
    Memphus says:
    are always looking for others
    Morgan says:
    i'd be wary of teams that cheat on tech deals to be honest.
    Memphus says:
    how so?
    Memphus says:
    sautrn trading Feud to Kaz?
    Memphus says:
    for math?
    Morgan says:
    i was told Kaz gifted Alpha as well
    Memphus says:
    that we dont/ didn't know
    Memphus says:
    when we met saturn they had lapha
    Memphus says:
    our knoweldge was feud for math
    Memphus says:
    which then feud would of gone to you and MS i assume?
    Memphus says:
    which is why everyone is unhappy that saturn told kaz no?
    Memphus says:
    but to be fair to saturn, and everyone we did tell kaz to back of from the city which we now occupy with many units (as you can see)
    Memphus says:
    kaz decided to ignore us.
    Morgan says:
    kaz could claim they were provoked. i donlt know the details so wouldn't like to say one way other another. seems it's a Kaz/ SANCTA issue.
    Memphus says:
    definetly is
    Memphus says:
    but at a consequence kaz couldnt trade you feud
    Memphus says:
    as they had said they would
    Memphus says:
    and you couldnt trade it to ms
    Memphus says:
    so now there is a tech desicison
    Memphus says:
    luckily we have feud as fate would have it.
    Memphus says:
    would you like it?
    Morgan says:
    tbh i don't think we do thanks.
    Memphus says:
    that is fair. the closer kaz and us are the easier for you get to get liberalism?
    Memphus says:
    We expect to se eMS declare on saturn in ~ 20 turns
    Memphus says:
    and Cav continue to grow sans war
    Morgan says:
    thats an interesting point of view, why would MS DoW on Saturn?
    Memphus says:
    because they are beside you and saturn
    Memphus says:
    (via land)
    Morgan says:
    and i'll pass along the offer of Fued trade.
    Memphus says:
    you could wipe them if you choose
    Morgan says:
    to the team.
    Memphus says:
    but saturn... they have a chance there to get some land
    Memphus says:
    because without land the longer they go the more of your vassal they become
    Morgan says:
    Saturn seem a good team though it would be risky for MS to try to have a go.
    Memphus says:
    saturn is good
    Memphus says:
    but what is ms other choice?
    Memphus says:
    you guys?
    Memphus says:
    eventually peacefull exapsion runs out
    Morgan says:
    true, but you said earlier any attack before maces is doomed
    Memphus says:
    you doubt maces will be about in 20 turns?
    Morgan says:
    i wouldn't expect saturn to have maces in 20 turns, no.
    Memphus says:
    but ms?
    Memphus says:
    we figure Cav is getting machinery now
    Memphus says:
    1 step closer to your UU and really freaking the world out
    Morgan says:
    carracks are unrated imo
    Memphus says:
    a very solid unit in MP
    Memphus says:
    we are aware of thier power
    Morgan says:
    yours is alright too, better perhaps
    Memphus says:
    astronomy is a huge investment.
    Memphus says:
    one we will make when the time is right
    Memphus says:
    but off the record. how slick is Sancta and KAz being at war?
    Memphus says:
    those are your 2 top rivals in the game and they build units while you build and empire
    Morgan says:
    i'd prefer a big army to a big empire, far more fun
    Memphus says:
    winning is fun!
    Memphus says:
    what do you think cav would trade for feud?
    Morgan says:
    i really don't know. really have to check with the team.
    Memphus says:
    ok that is fair.
    Memphus says:
    what about OB?
    Morgan says:
    again, i'm only a lowly turnplayer. send a note about both.
    Memphus says:
    haha yet i talk to niklas, or oyzar or US and they say talk to you
    Morgan says:
    thats very nice of them. Niklas i guess is very busy, he has been recently i think and Oz is on holiday.
    Memphus says:
    yes to both accounts
    Morgan says:
    if it down to me then i'm very unhappy with your relationship with saturn. we understand they cheated Alphabet from Kaz. Personally, i find that exetremely unsporting and not within the sprit of the game.
    Memphus says:
    again i can't comment on that.
    Memphus says:
    saturn had alpha when we met them?
    Memphus says:
    we were told the trade was math for feud
    Memphus says:
    they got math themselves and as such....
    Morgan says:
    just my personal view on things.
    Morgan says:
    again it's difficult what to believe as the situation is complex.
    Memphus says:
    well look athte history for when we met saturn and the techs they had
    Memphus says:
    and i am no expert, nor am i on saturn, but lapha nad math for feud is riduiculous...
    Memphus says:
    sounds liek a rue to me.
    Morgan says:
    i'll check. if you acted in good faith then there will be no issues.
    Memphus says:
    we did. if saturn didn't nor disclose thier original deal....but either way, people need to be more careful with thier trades
    Memphus says:
    obviousy Cav feels it is unfair ebcuase kaz can't deliver feud as promised
    Memphus says:
    in which case does that mean kaz is at a trade deficit with cav?
    Morgan says:
    you presume alot about our tech deals.
    Memphus says:
    so far sitting at 95%
    Memphus says:
    on not only techs researched but the turn they are traded.
    Memphus says:
    the demos screen gives it all away
    Morgan says:
    great invention demo screens.
    Memphus says:
    the true espionage of the game.
    Morgan says:
    what other techs do you think MS will have in 20 turns?
    Memphus says:
    haha including tech trades or researched on thier own?
    Morgan says:
    brb, got to make the tea
    Morgan says:
    all techs.
    Memphus says:
    well if i gave that away...then all my secrets would be gone
    Morgan says:
    it's not a secret though if everyone knows it.
    Memphus says:
    everyone doesnt
    Memphus says:
    only my team does
    Morgan says:
    not saturn?
    Memphus says:
    how would they?
    Morgan says:
    does SANCTA not share?
    Morgan says:
    keep their allies supplied with up to the minute intel?
    Memphus says:
    that would be the assumption that saturn is our ally.
    Memphus says:
    we share all our trade secrets with those that pay the price.
    Memphus says:
    i could tell you what will happen over hte next 50 turns for say the small price of construction?
    Morgan says:
    that Oracle has turned your Teams minds to mush, i'll tell you the outcome of the game for Fued.
    Memphus says:
    musch how so?
    Memphus says:
    in that we didn't want a 4 v1?
    Memphus says:
    we didnt want you to dictate the entire game as you say fit?
    Memphus says:
    keep in mind you lost the oracle because you played poorly
    Memphus says:
    not because we stole it
    Morgan says:
    it was unfortunate that we missed out. I'm sure nobody thinks your team stole it.
    Memphus says:
    niklas does
    Memphus says:
    oyzar does
    Memphus says:
    your comment by saying it has turned us to "musch" does.
    Morgan says:
    not at all, i'm glad the wonder inspired a lesser culture to greater heights.
    Memphus says:
    lesser? how so?
    Morgan says:
    were you not heathens at that time?
    Memphus says:
    nope
    Memphus says:
    we are the most cultural civ in the game
    Memphus says:
    and somehow we have mananged to expand at the sam pace as the ultimate rexers in this game
    Memphus says:
    so when we turn our research on for the first time... the world could be in trouble
    Morgan says:
    you have an impressive empire, i'm sure you'll tech well. what are you researching now? maybe it would be for trade?
    Memphus says:
    we are teching nothing.
    Memphus says:
    but have gold to send to any empire who wishes to tech.
    Memphus says:
    so if you wish to embark on a new venture at 100%
    Memphus says:
    we can fund the research.
    Memphus says:
    but i have a dinner appointment. i ill chat later

     
  11. Memphus

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    Talking to KM again....he wants us to send a letter for OB

    How does this look?

    C.O.B.S. Treaty
    (Cavaleiros Open Border Sancta Treaty)
    1. Each Team Agree that upon stamping this Open Borders will commence in game
    2. This is a trade route only Open Borders, no units may cross the border line unless consented to on an exception only basis, by the team who’s borders would be violated.
    3. Cancelling: Each Team is to grant the other team 5 turns notice prior to canceling Open Borders, thus to allow for proper management of funds and finishing techs.
     
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    Sounds reasonable to me!
     
  13. Memphus

    Memphus Chieftain

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    they also wantto trade for feud....

    One Small Step
    Cavaleiros & Sancta Trade #1
    Cavaleiros Trade Civil Service (Base 1196) & HBR (Base 373) Total Weight: 1569
    SANCTA Trade Feudalism (Base 1046) Total Weight: 1046
    As you know your techs are cheaper for us (by 6%) due to 3 teams knowing them instead of 2. However this still leaves a gap. Thus Sancta is willing to trade any tech (or combination thereof) we have at any time worth up to 750 base beakers. In the event this circumstance doesn’t present itself, Due to team Cav not requesting the said tech(s) Cavaleiros may use this 750 base cost for future trades.
     
  14. AutomatedTeller

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    Do we want to do that?

    We have to clear this by saturn, don't we? Won't cav just send feud to kaz? Thus clearing Kaz to research music easily?
     
  15. Memphus

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    if this happens it won't be this turn....Cav would still have to deliberate it. It won't even be next turn.

    Kaz isn't gettign feud. or else Cav wouldn't be asking. Thus Kaz must be getting Machinery for Maces in the war...

    As such, My guess Is MS is getting feud and isn't talking to anyone.
     
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    cav will still give feud to kaz, right? and then they really have nothing left but music after they get machinery.

    I don't think we can trade feud until it's clear we are going to for music.
     
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    that is ok....unless KAz finish machinery next turn, or the turn after they can't beat us to Music.
     
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    Well definitly talk to Saturn before we promise anything to Cav about trading feudalism.
     
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    oh for sure. there is no promise here. just throwing it out there. they will say no. but the thing is if we do throw it out there but then say, actually n/m to much invested into HBR, that will throw people of what we are really doing.
     
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    I guess I'm fine with that but we need to be careful, we are already regarded as a team that has little honor, whether or not that is actually true. Tossing them around like this isn't going to earn any high marks in their regard either...
     

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