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Discussion in 'Team SANCTA' started by General_W, Mar 4, 2009.

  1. Krill

    Krill Chieftain

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    OB with Cav: I agree, it's worth an extra 10 commerce. Send asap as written, it's worth atleast an extra 11 beakers every turn, so another 66 beakers towards music. Want it signed before turn roll if possible.

    Fued trade...I agree to fued+promisery note for HBR and CS. I don't know if I would agree to CS for Fued. Need to talk with Saturn asap if they come online.
     
  2. dutchfire

    dutchfire Moderator Moderator

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    I'd talk about the tech deal with saturn first.
     
  3. Memphus

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    chat with KM, thrwoing them off the trail.

    Spoiler :


    Memphus says:
    ok so obviously as you now know HBR is kinda off the table.
    Memphus says:
    but we are willing to trade feud for CS & gold.
    Memphus says:
    thoughts?
    Morgan says:
    Hi Mephus, have i missed something? Why is HBR be off the table. been a busy week and i've been out the loop.
    Memphus says:
    no problem
    Memphus says:
    off the table because, well if you think about it you can figure it out
    Morgan says:
    not keen on trading miliary techs?
    Memphus says:
    sure we are
    Memphus says:
    we will still trade feud
    Memphus says:
    but have no use for HBR in a trade anymore
    Memphus says:
    as such for example Feud for CS and 200 gold?
    Morgan says:
    fair enough on HBR, but theres not alot of support for trading CS to be honest.
    Memphus says:
    alright that is fair.
    Morgan says:
    i'm sure you understand the reasons, we'd be a in tight spot if Kaz had maces headed their way.
    Memphus says:
    well that would also require machinery
    Memphus says:
    which is no cheap tech as you know
    Morgan says:
    i'm sure your only a few turns away from it
    Memphus says:
    machinery? maybe, but my magic 8 ball says no
    Memphus says:
    well we have some otehr interesting ideas here if you dont want to trade CS
    Memphus says:
    what about HBR and 450 gold for feud?
    Morgan says:
    to me that sounds a reasonable deal, i'll post it in the forum get a few comments on it.
    Memphus says:
    we would be willing to trade it feud for 250 gold and HBR next turn, and then a 10 turn deal of 20 gold per turn.
    Morgan says:
    ahh, i see. not so attractive. still let me crunch the numbers, it may still work.
    Memphus says:
    If you want feud before you play (you team wants to switch to serfdom, build LB's etc.) I can jump in
    Memphus says:
    would HBR on turn 5 be more attractive?
    Morgan says:
    it's more the money imo. i doubt we make a decision before we play the turn, it's a little quiet on teamates this afternoon.
    Memphus says:
    ok that is cool, well if you guys are interested we can negotiate something i am sure, so please rebuttle
    Morgan says:
    will do, thanks.

     
  4. IamJohn

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    Would be amusing if Cav funded kaz missing out on music...
     
  5. Memphus

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    Spoiler :

    Memphus says:
    So what is your take of the Feud for HBR and gold proposition?
    Niklas Broberg says:
    it's leaning towards a thanks but no thanks
    Memphus says:
    because the sum is too high?
    Memphus says:
    (i did the math, it was out too lunch)
    Memphus says:
    300 is more reasonable
    Memphus says:
    i was just shooting out numbers quickly this morning.
    Memphus says:
    does that make it more palatable?
    Niklas Broberg says:
    I just believe people don't see the urgency of a trade, so any mention of gold that we could spend on researching something we're in more immediate need of is naturally received in a somewhat crappy light
    Memphus says:
    well that makes sense. and it isn;t like you exactly need longbows...
    Niklas Broberg says:
    not right this moment no
    Memphus says:
    serdom could be of use, but probably not for 300 gold.
    Niklas Broberg says:
    as could vassalage, but again not for 300 precious gold
    Memphus says:
    is all amounts of gold precious ?
    Niklas Broberg says:
    well, it's obviously more precious the more it is
    Memphus says:
    that is true
    Memphus says:
    so i suppose my question is, is there any amount that isn't precious for feud?
    Niklas Broberg says:
    I would have to ask the team on that one
    Memphus says:
    ok cool
    Memphus says:
    another thought for the team
    Memphus says:
    we would look at taking hbr off the table if it was 300 (precious i know) gold and that feud wouldn't be trade for 10 turns.
    Memphus says:
    just other ways to play around with the same thing.
    Niklas Broberg says:
    more interested in gold than hbr?
    Memphus says:
    yeah we need construction more than hbr...
    Memphus says:
    for bridges and all
    Niklas Broberg says:
    ah, of course
    Memphus says:
    and the stack of doom we expect from KAz in about 15 turns onc ethey build maces with machinery
    Niklas Broberg says:
    building bridges ahead of their army that you can then burn?
    Memphus says:
    yeah or catapults...i hear they work well too!
    Memphus says:
    i mean HBR would be nice, and it flanks thier cats...but those bounce off macemen.
    Memphus says:
    and we kinda figure you cant trade that, so that puts us at trading feud for gold!
    Niklas Broberg says:
    well, speaking my personal mind, I'd much rather trade you HBR than 300 gold, but the team may have other input on that
    Memphus says:
    right but we need some gold for feud for HBR...because otherwise, even as precious as gold is that is quite lopsided.
    Niklas Broberg says:
    naturally
    Memphus says:
    so i would say ask:
    Memphus says:
    1. HBR & 250 gold no restrictions
    Memphus says:
    2. 300 gold, no hbr and no trade on feud for 10 turns.
    Memphus says:
    interesting options?
    Niklas Broberg says:
    I'll pass it along
    Memphus says:
    realistically think it will happen?
    Niklas Broberg says:
    realistically, I think the gold values are too high, not for the value of the trade, but as noted it's gold not spent on research of something else
    Memphus says:
    alright that is understandable
    Memphus says:
    but does the value of gold change over time?
    Niklas Broberg says:
    you mean, would we be more amenable to trade gpt?
    Memphus says:
    yes
    Niklas Broberg says:
    I don't think there would be much difference
    Memphus says:
    we would agree to the GPT in the same trade as the initial funds
    Memphus says:
    for example 300 and we give 10 gold for 10 turns
    Niklas Broberg says:
    I'll pass it along, but I do think the answer will eventually be no
    Memphus says:
    ok cool. i guess our only last option would be to sell our maps once you guys get paper

     
  6. Krill

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    no OB with Cav then...
     
  7. AutomatedTeller

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    unless I'm mistaken, the Lighthouse won't make any difference in having OB with Cav.

    With currency, we get 2 trade routes per city.
    We have OB with Saturn only right now (I think). Saturn + cav dont' have more than twice as many cities as us, so even without the lighthouse, we'd have some domestic routes. Thus, the lighthouse doesn't help at all.

    There may come a time when we do get some extra benefit to the lighthouse, if we get trade routes with MS, but right now, there's no added benefit.
     
  8. Memphus

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    two chats today:

    Morgan:
    Spoiler :


    Memphus says:
    Would you guys be interested for a trade for aesthetics and litterature?
    Morgan says:
    depends what you offer i suppose
    Memphus says:
    that is what we are offering....
    Memphus says:
    what would you be willing to give for them?
    Morgan says:
    really not too sure, Ozyar is probably the guy to ask.
    Memphus says:
    cool.
    Memphus says:
    well post it in your forum then we are open to any options.
    Morgan says:
    no probs, i'll pasted it up
    Morgan says:
    are you heading to music? how is the war going? not logged in recently been a bit busy with other games
    Memphus says:
    we might be but considering we got poly, aesthetics and litterature...
    Memphus says:
    ill let you draw your own conclsusion
    Morgan says:
    sounds like you are
    Memphus says:
    well that and the HE, we have a lvl 4 unit so that will help the war effort
    Memphus says:
    as for the war, form what we can tell Kaz is in trouble.
    Memphus says:
    sure they have maces...but those arn't a problem for us.
    Morgan says:
    did you get machnery then?
    Memphus says:
    nope
    Memphus says:
    don't even have CS or HBR yet either
    Morgan says:
    how will you counter maces then?
    Morgan says:
    axes?
    Memphus says:
    we have our secrets. i can't let them all out
    Morgan says:
    it's hardly secret unless you've modded your copy of civ
    Morgan says:
    i suppose you could use L/B's
    Memphus says:
    haha well it is because it is a surprise to kaz when they advance!
    Memphus says:
    we ideally want them to attack in the next 3-5 turns!
    Memphus says:
    but if they wait longer that is thier perogative and then we will actually have units to counter maces properly, and won't rely on our 4th unorthodx strategy of the game.
    Morgan says:
    well i hope Oz will have some units nearby so we can see the fun, intrigued to see your methods.
    Memphus says:
    our borders give pretty good sepeartion...but we will take screenshots for a day when someone has paper and we can send them back and forth.
    Morgan says:
    oh yeah forgot about the paper rulw
    Memphus says:
    kinda dumb IMO as realistically you can describe it all if you wanted to take the time....
    Morgan says:
    yep, true. you still think MS will invade saturn? what 10 more turns by your reckoning?
    Memphus says:
    i do think so but not 10 turns. they are further apart than that...they don't have the same amount of cities as us.
    Memphus says:
    also saturn has feud, for a long time now so they have a lot of LB's
    Memphus says:
    MS can only as of last turn build maces...which even then is tough to unroot 2 CGII LB's on a hill...
    Memphus says:
    unelss you have 5-7 cats.
    Morgan says:
    well let them scrap it out if they want to
    Memphus says:
    haha good for you guys.
    Memphus says:
    probably the only civ building markets etc. everyone else is gearing up for war.
    Morgan says:
    markets are good. war is bad
    Memphus says:
    we will just have to wipe kaz off the planet then. sure would be easier if you guys stopped giving them gold to upgrade thier maces...
    Morgan says:
    did we give them gold?
    Memphus says:
    3 turns in a row...
    Memphus says:
    slowing down your own research
    Memphus says:
    and i am geussing they have yet to gift machinery to you so as the research is more expensive for us.
    Memphus says:
    but that is ok machinery is a ways off.
    Morgan says:
    i guess so, you have many cities so losing a few won't be so bad, so long as your core remains in place you'll pull through
    Memphus says:
    we don't plan to lose any.



    Oyzar
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    Memphus says:
    Morgan told me to ask you...do you want to make a deal for aesthetics and litterature?
    Oyzar says:
    We don't have a 4th level unit yet so it is not that interesting
    Memphus says:
    I see. What if we provided you the unit to add the HE to your build queue?
    Oyzar says:
    that might be more interesting, i'll post it on the forums at least
    Oyzar says:
    how is the war going?
    Memphus says:
    so far so good. Kaz is building up though
    Oyzar says:
    you'll be prepeared to handle it?
    Memphus says:
    well based on what we see so far. but then again without HBR or CS how do you counter a maceman? let alone 4 or 5
    Oyzar says:
    massive amount of cats
    Oyzar says:
    there is no problem so big that a massive amount of cats can't handle it eh?
    Memphus says:
    true....
    Oyzar says:
    you did mention to morgan you did have a plan...
    Memphus says:
    we do. very unorthodox. but it actually doesn't involve cats. it has a couple but that isn't the plan.
    Oyzar says:
    just massive amount of axes then?
    Memphus says:
    haha some of those too.
    Oyzar says:
    there isn't that much else you can build
    Memphus says:
    it is from the tips in the opening screen!
    Oyzar says:
    longbows?
    Oyzar says:
    properly promoted archer units can be used to attack as well or something along that line
    Memphus says:
    haha!
    Memphus says:
    you got it
    Memphus says:
    not to mention send a couple of them in with guerrilla II and we can sneak in Kaz's back door when they go to hit us!
    Memphus says:
    thier front city is built in a mountai nrange after all
    Oyzar says:
    well sneak in and attack maces behind culture might not be the best plan
    Memphus says:
    if they leave maces in thier city...our spies say differently to their troop compliment. They will bring everything forward.
    Oyzar says:
    ofc maces can be whipped or upgraded as well
    Oyzar says:
    You are hanging around on the forums quite a lot. I was wondering if you would be interested in joining http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=328022 this. NoTW is quite fun. It is like a way more complex mafia / werewolf forum game...
    Memphus says:
    ill check it out!

     
  9. dutchfire

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    They had some diplo to do?
     
  10. Memphus

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    fun little chat:

    Spoiler :

    Unconquered Sun says:
    hey memphus
    Memphus says:
    yo what up?
    Unconquered Sun says:
    how did combat go?
    Memphus says:
    can't complain
    Unconquered Sun says:
    I expect Kaz to update us fully
    Memphus says:
    if they have any messengers left to bring back word...
    Unconquered Sun says:
    how did they advance exactly?
    Memphus says:
    with whips behind them, forcing thier units to march to death
    Unconquered Sun says:
    lol
    Memphus says:

    Memphus says:
    would you guys care to trade music for CS?
    Unconquered Sun says:
    I'm barely on the team atm
    Unconquered Sun says:
    still
    Unconquered Sun says:
    Id say no
    Unconquered Sun says:
    oyzar loves CS
    Memphus says:
    haha okie dokie
    Memphus says:
    CS is overrated IMO
    Memphus says:
    Kaz has CS and an academy in thier capital.
    Memphus says:
    we beat them to music...
    Unconquered Sun says:
    you got music coz Kaz went ahead with their stupid uograde axes to maces plan
    Unconquered Sun says:
    and my team followed to slaughter
    Unconquered Sun says:
    instead of adopting a sensible warplan
    Memphus says:
    what can I say? I told them our axes were tough!
    Memphus says:
    so you guys funded the Kaz war agaisn't us? ouch.
    Unconquered Sun says:
    you can imagine how much gold was wasted
    Memphus says:
    i know exaclty how much
    Unconquered Sun says:
    I don't know exactly how much Kaz would've gained if they had better combat luck, but it doesn't seem to be enough
    Unconquered Sun says:
    and there was the option for bad rolls
    Memphus says:
    "Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win"
     
  11. Ronnie1

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    nice ! ! ! !:D
     
  12. AutomatedTeller

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    Kaz needed a better battle plan. They had plenty of force to crush us, but they were arrogant and thought that they could do it piecemeal.
     
  13. Memphus

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    unerstatement of the day.

    we would of had no chance agaisnt a stack of:

    6 Maces, 2 HA, 1 WE and 3 Cats. While I can sim good I am not a god.

    Although we woudl of chopped differently and 3 cats could and our existing units could walk trhough that.
     
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    Well I'm happy they wasted their money on that instead of on research *shrug*
     
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    Ok So I have a crazy idea... we havn't had one in what a day now?

    Why don't we create a post (similar to our wonder posts, or the music post), but as a pre-emptive prediction (from the oracle if we want? it's last gift to us)

    and do this:
    State that team Sancta will eb the first team to discover liberalism.

    Why do this?
    1. If Cav havn't started Education yet, they can't beat us. (from what I can tell)
    2. If they have then us stating this won't change anything.
    3. They dont make any changes and it hurts them that much more when we do it.

    However, if they are researching something else, they have a choice, to switch and not get that tech (engineering guilds, etc.) and this would then hamper Kaz.
     
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    lol......crazy indeed
     
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    That is insane. It also shows our hand and could get MS, Kaz and Cav all working together pushing for Lib. The matter is alot more complex than Memphus points out, partly because we don;t know how close any of them are to a GS.
     
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    I don't think it'd be wise. From a non-game perspective I think it'd be viewed more as taunting then anything else, and I think we've engendered enough animosity as it is. ;)

    Still though, it is an intriguing idea, they'd probably be much more willing to spend resources on getting lib first, slowing them down in other areas.
     
  19. AutomatedTeller

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    Agree with IamJohn on the taunting. I don't mind over-the-top crowing over ingame events that have occurred, but bragging about what will happen can't end well. Besides, it is not the way of the Ninja. Besides besides - they HAVE to be worried about us getting liberalism first.

    To be honest, I worry more about a fleet of caracks off our East coast - Cav could conceivably have 2 or 3 there within 5 turns or so of them learning optics. I'd prefer them to not have more incentive to send them than they already do.
     
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    This is a very good point....When are we going to try and upgrade our Navy?
     

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