Got to continue my talk with Methos. It didn’t really go “well” – if by that you mean I talked him into a trade. It was pretty revealing about their attitude though. I did what I could to push to make a trade happen… I guess we’ll find out. I’m not holding my breath. Spoiler : Methos: hello again Methos: while we continue to discuss our options, we would like to go with the phony war for the moment. Methos: We would simply like to continue to move forward with our wb while our two great nations discuss our options General_W: hey - back now. How was your movie? Methos: it was ok Methos: we watched the new hulk movie General_W: oh yeah? I H-A-T-E-D the first one. General_W: swore of the Hulk forever after that. lol Methos: hehe General_W: anyway - I'll report back what you said. General_W: but your team doesn't even want to suggest a trade? Methos: we're still discussing possible options General_W: I know it's going to make some people on our team skeptical about the "but we really do want to be friends" line if we don't see any interest in deal making (= not a threat. Just trying to forewarn you). Methos: understand Methos: had we not cared, then why did we wait on the phony war? General_W: that's a good point. But of course there is a difference between "hostile" and "unfriendly" Methos: besides, I'm sure you wouldn't want us as an enemy General_W: To be sure! We're the ones proposing generous deals here, remember Methos: agree, but not always the best for our team, or even equal footing General_W: oh? how so? Methos: we will continue to discuss it on our end and will get back to you when a decision is made Methos: I'm curious if your nation is okay with a phony war? Methos: while we continue to discuss General_W: yeah - I think so. That was on option we offered of our own volition, wasn't it? Methos: yes, but we don't desire that to be our only option General_W: lol - we'll, we're kinda hoping you won't take that option General_W: all our tech trade proposals were geared to be generous in your direction (not to mention the OB deal) General_W: so I'm a little puzzled by your "not equal footing" comment. General_W: if you can tell me why - we'll try to do better next time Methos: as you mentioned earlier, alphabet is a powerful tech in mp games General_W: well, what I was trying to say is that I (and many people on our team) have found it oddly less valuable in MP games - due to the fact that most humans get it more quickly than the AI. enabling you to trade with most people even if you don't personally have it. General_W: case in point - until we met the Mad Scientists, we didn't it to offer any tech trades. General_W: but that said, if you wanted to counter-offer with some kind of trading moratorium on Alphabet - the team might be open to that. Methos: so we give you alpha so you can trade with MS? Methos: btw, just curious why you'd tell me you know them General_W: uhm - our F4 screen shows that you have Open Borders with them. (ie - you can presumably see that we know them also) General_W: am I confused? Methos: no, I'm simply not concentrating enough on this discussion. hehe General_W: in any case - we're really not trying to pull anything over on you. Alphabet is a good tech (obviously) - that's why we're offering a 50 beaker premium on it plus the extra trade income you'll get each turn. General_W: plus the opportunity to enjoy long mentally stimulating conversations with the witty and handsome General_W Methos: you mean 100 beakers General_W: is it? General_W: uhmmm... well if my math is right, it looks like 506 to 448. General_W: unless I added wrong / had wrong beaker values. Methos: I was talking about the original option that granted us 100 beaker credit General_W: oh right General_W: if you're more interested in going the Metal Casting route Methos: just recalling all options that we were given General_W: - you can't say we're starving you for options! Methos: hehe, nope General_W: ok - I gotta run here. Time to put the little one down for the night. General_W: Thanks for chatting though. Looking forward to hearing what your team has to say.