caveman2cosmos optimal new start - gigantic epic nightmare non-upscaled research

tramwajg

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how would you start here?:) my 1st priority is location near river, 2nd priority natural wonder, 3rd priority near caves

prehistoric era
bc 199 617 (turn 1): https://i.ibb.co/4thDrYM/bc199617.png splitting first available unit to 3 smaller, setting highest speed and searching for good location, this time I will try to spend ~10 turns searching for natural wonder near river and caves (do you think it's worth it?)

bc 196 547 (turn 9): https://i.ibb.co/mF0jwK7/bc196547.png
I chose best location from map revealed within first turns, this one has river, natural wonder, coast and caves, the only disadvantage is that I don't know if it's water lake or access to ocean, what would be your choice of first city on this map?

bc 191 560 (turn 22): https://i.ibb.co/CKYQ8Xw/bc191560.png
researched cave dvelling to start building wonder, then language to create nature wonder building, doubtful if I should delay wonder construction, may be constructed by AI earlier. There is 2nd natural wonder in position that could be used by one city, but it's highly unlikely and would not have caves or river, so I think not worth searching for such location at the beginning, next research language for science buildings

bc 154 728 (turn 118): https://i.ibb.co/5rwbP63/bc154728.png
built nature wonder and cave wonder, then neanderthal culture, quite bad location (no bamboo or other landscapes needed for some early economy buildings), main unit (axeman from tribe village) is now lead by great general which increased power, are these myths different now? in the past they added 1 to science each, and now only 0.2, I think it's less important to hunt animals now, than in the past?

bc 111 373 (turn 231): https://i.ibb.co/5GkhYWS/bc111373.png
no cities around to capture, took first trait scientific I (doubtful if better than spiritual at this point)
 
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Your decisions seem to be good for me. There are always alternatives (that's the game about!) but it is nearly impoosible to say if they are really better (I tend not to look so long for my 1st city spot but you approach could be better).

Yes, myths have been changed and are less powerful now, especially early in the game where they were really game changers in the past.
 
Oh, yeah, I always try to find a first city location with natural wonder + fresh water + cave + coast + peak... (if possible)

took first trait scientific I (doubtful if better than spiritual at this point)
Kind of a shame, considering how Uluru is the only Wonder of Nature giving a whopping + 4 Great Prophet ?
(And with a bonus to the construction of Lascaux to boot, so this *really* incentivizes GP strategies !)

In my v42 beta game I lucked out with the 2 NatWonders nearby that are the only ones that both give +2 Trade Routes - Pravcicka Brana and Dead Sea - so it's Negotiator I for me !

Looks like you can get your boats out through another well-placed City... or maybe even just a fort ?
 
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