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Challenge-II-01

Discussion in 'Hall of Fame Challenger Series' started by Denniz, May 9, 2010.

  1. Denniz

    Denniz Where's my breakfast? Moderator Hall of Fame Staff

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    While the general Hall of Fame is an ongoing competition, we are running series of games called the Hall of Fame Challenge Series. Standard Hall of Fame rules (*) still apply, but any games meeting the settings of one of the games will be counted towards the Challenge.

    (*) Please read the >> HOF rules << BEFORE playing!

    Settings:
    • Victory Condition: Conquest (though all victory conditions must be enabled)
    • Difficulty: ANY
    • Starting Era: Ancient
    • Map Size: Large
    • Map Type: Pangaea
    • Speed: Epic
    • Required: No City Razing, No Vassal States, No Tribal Villages
    • Must Not Be Checked: No Barbarians, Random Personalities, Permanent Alliances, One City Challenge
    • Civ: India (Gandhi)
    • Opponents: Must include Aztec (Montezuma), Celt (Brennus), Greece (Alexander), Mongolia (Genghis Khan), Russia (Stalin), Sumeria (Gilgamesh), Viking (Ragnar Lodbrok), Zulu (Shaka)
    • Version: 3.19.003
    • Date: 10th May to 10th September 2010
    The earliest finish date wins, with score as a tiebreaker.
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  2. ParadigmShifter

    ParadigmShifter Random Nonsense Generator

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    A large conquest with NO city razing or vassals???

    Avoiding the dom limit means a very early win...
     
  3. Denniz

    Denniz Where's my breakfast? Moderator Hall of Fame Staff

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    The no razing may have been too much. Perhaps I should remove it. Thoughts?
     
  4. ParadigmShifter

    ParadigmShifter Random Nonsense Generator

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    I'm sure it's doable at low levels but I'm not sure if that is the intention of the challenge.
     
  5. WastinTime

    WastinTime Chieftain Supporter

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    Keep it. Makes it more interesting. I'm sure it's doable even on Deity.
    You could always let barbs take your cities, right?
     
  6. ParadigmShifter

    ParadigmShifter Random Nonsense Generator

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    You'll have to capture the Great Wall city last then :lol:
     
  7. kkatta

    kkatta Chieftain

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    No Vassal State means no colonies, right?
    It looks a very difficult game for a Conquest Victory....
     
  8. Denniz

    Denniz Where's my breakfast? Moderator Hall of Fame Staff

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    A bit of a challenge, maybe? :mischief:
     
  9. AutomatedTeller

    AutomatedTeller Frequent poster

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    Wow. Large epic conquest no razing and no vassals... how do strikes work again?
     
  10. TheMeInTeam

    TheMeInTeam Top Logic

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    IF someone pulls this on deity, they will wear the crown of "best civ IV player ever in TMIT's eyes".

    There are only a few ways I can think that make this one possible:

    1. Simply capture and kill every civ in the game before they expand to amounts that would trip domination (impossible on deity until proven otherwise...so far it has not been proven otherwise).
    2. Lower the sea level, build Gwall, and run raging barbs. Play this 3049873405893746908347 times until you get lucky.
    3. Capture/destroy a few civs, putting you near domination limit. Then, within only a few turns nuke and paradrop every remaining city within the amount of time cities take to come out of revolt, so you kill everyone off before you trip the land %.

    3 is not easy. The AI will block paratroopers with the likes of workers and executives, and on a large map the ground and sheer # of cities to cover is tough to overcome. I have a feeling this will be finished at a more middling difficulty by an elite player, but I hope I'm wrong.
     
  11. Fluroscent

    Fluroscent Chieftain

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    Yeah, I'll will be amazed at any Deity victory here. I predict the highest level victory will be Emperor. Now prove me wrong ;)

    Funny how this one would probably be the hardest one even with NCR off (only at high levels obviously). Some of the others should be quite easy, even at Deity.
     
  12. cabert

    cabert Big mouth

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    too bad you can't play it on vanilla (less pain from the no vassal)

    I guess I can make it up to chieftain at least
    On monarch+, I can only see nukes working. Let's wait and see.
     
  13. BLubmuz

    BLubmuz HoF Quattromaster

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    What have you smoked?
    Anyone goin' over settler difficulty can't hope to be first.

    For this game, you just need a few chariots or even a few warriors to conquer the closest neighbours, 2 stacks to send in different directions. game over.
    Research: wheel (you got it free on settler), AH, BW. Stop.

    The settler AI takes forever to research BW, you can have researched well past Alpha before they arrive to it.

    The settings state:
    Not difficulty as tiebreaker. Run and run fast.
     
  14. travlake

    travlake Chieftain

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    Edit: Ignore this, AI can't raze either.

    Thoughts on this strategy: Let genghis do your city razing for you.

    If I read the xml right, he razes 75% of the cities he captures (smarter person confirm this?).

    The ideal situation is to have genghis centrally located so that after each conquest you can declare on him, vacate your newly captured cities, have him roll through and raze most of them, retake/vacate until he razes them all. Take genghis last, as I assume the AI will not raze their own cities.

    This is no silver bullet, as the ai will resettle the area (genghis himself included), and you'll have to make sure you can subdue genghis at all times. I'm gonna try this at Monarch and see how it goes.
     
  15. sanabas

    sanabas Psycho Bunny Hall of Fame Staff

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    Does no city razing still allow the AIs to raze cities?
     
  16. cabert

    cabert Big mouth

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    no
    even barbs can't raze
     
  17. Denniz

    Denniz Where's my breakfast? Moderator Hall of Fame Staff

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    Moderator Action: Moved the posts about difficulty adjustment to the Challenge Series II discusssion thread. Please keep the individual game threads for game discussions.
     
  18. VincentThe88

    VincentThe88 Chieftain

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    I sought to achieve victory on Warlord difficulty. However, I failed. One turn from achieving conquest, two Russian cities remaining, I won via domination... Anyone else here made the attempt, or plan on taking this on any level other than Settler?
     
  19. Sun Tzu Wu

    Sun Tzu Wu Chieftain Supporter

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    Did you try the following:

    0) Set Raging Barbarian option

    1) Abandon when Copper/Iron or Horse are not in Capital BFC.

    2) Build The Great Wall in your Capital or capture the City that built it.

    3) Pillage AI controlled Copper/Iron Mines and Horse Pastures.

    4) Kill all AI Leaders/Civs one, two, three or four at a Time.

    5) Construct no buildings that generate Culture, except for a few in the Capital.

    I plan to play Deity level. However, this Game is #5 on my priority list, so don't expect anything for at least another month (more likely 2-3 months).

    Sun Tzu Wu
     
  20. cabert

    cabert Big mouth

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    sound advice except build the great wall
    you may leave cities to the barbs if you don't
    If you make it at deity level, you'll get praise for several months from me
    Sincerely I don't think it's doable.
     

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