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Chavez is president for life

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by TheLastOne36, Oct 7, 2012.

  1. Leoreth

    Leoreth 心の怪盗団 Moderator

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    Whoops, I was close to looking it up. I guess I leave my embarrassment unedited for educational purposes :mischief:
     
  2. Arwon

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    The term I think you're looking for is "illiberal democracy". Venezuela seems to be roughly on par with Singapore or Russia. That is, they have elections which are basically free of fraud and are democratic in the sense that they count the votes accurately and are reflective of a majority of voters voting for the government, but that majority support is maintained and reinforced through massive institutional advantages like dominance of the media, advantageous electoral laws, politicised administrative organs, legal and extralegal harassment of opposition candidates, and so forth.

    This is distinct from a dominant party system like, say, Botswana or South Africa, where while one party gets most of the vote, there's much more of a level playing field without the same capture of the electoral and judical systems or the media.
     
  3. Ondskan

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    Again you keep proving my point. You two are rightist non-jews playing the anti-semite card against someone who you now say employs jews and whom they feed off like aristocrats?

    bizarre indeed. It's like you playing the homophobe-card and then insulting people for being fags.

    Hilarious stuff.
     
  4. Joecoolyo

    Joecoolyo 99% Lightspeed

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    I can't tell if you're using Jews in a derogatory manner to describe the Venezuelan elite, or if you sincerely think all Jews are rich elitists in every country we are citizens of.

    Either way its incredibly offensive, stereotypical, and borderline (if not entirely) anti-semetic.
     
  5. Ondskan

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    The fact that one party is dominant does not mean that it's a worse country.
    South African press isn't less free than Venezuelan or Russian or tbh even US (although it obviously is quite corrupt).

    Also I question the definition of the so called dominance of media. What ability does the socialist party, green party or even say constitutionalist party in the US have to get on the airways? I say capital is dominating it and capital picks its candidates and they are only from the two parties.

    That's not to all over the US. It's not much better in the UK for example.
     
  7. luiz

    luiz Trendy Revolutionary

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    Iliberal democracy is indeed a fine description of Venezuela. Some people also apply ut to Russia, but I think Venezuela is even more iliberal.

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    Regarding voter secrecy, check out the video on the link below. It's people voting in Venezuela and we can see the supervisors from PSUV (Chávez's party) "helping" the voters cast their vote... very secret indeed.
    The article continues to mention how the 2.5 million people who undersigned a document against Chávez were persecuted by the government, and poor people believe it's dangerous to talk about politics.

    http://oglobo.globo.com/mundo/como-se-vota-na-venezuela-6361244

    As I said, Chávez may have got the most votes, but the elections were far from fair...

    If anyone knows how to post the video directly (if that's possible), I'd appreciate it.
     
  8. TheLastOne36

    TheLastOne36 Deity

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    I lean towards the left.

    Chavez doesn't employ Jews. Chavez employs his friends and supporters.

    Jews don't really make up that big of a population in Venezuela (though they are there) and they are pretty much mixed in with the rest of society like all other ethnic groups (so they like Capriles, are probably mostly Catholic by now due to generations of inter-mixing).

    Chavez is the one who has made antisemitic comments towards Israel, and has called out Capriles for being a zionist spy and traitor.

    Nobody is playing the antisemite card. Both Luiz and I are calling out an anti-semite for his anti-semite actions and comments.
     
  9. Takhisis

    Takhisis Jinping, wer fragt uns?

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    You tried this with Castro and it failed spectacularly every single time…
     
  10. Joecoolyo

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    Yeah, stuff like this tends not to convince me you're not being sincerely anti-Semitic.
     
  11. Arwon

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    That is... precisely what I said?
     
  12. Traitorfish

    Traitorfish The Tighnahulish Kid

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    Is Ondskan actually reading the same thread as everybody else?
     
  13. Ondskan

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    My bad!
     
  14. Takhisis

    Takhisis Jinping, wer fragt uns?

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    Everything said about the electioneering, people being forced to vote or lose their jobs, special bonuses paid a few days before election day, smothering everyone with multi-hourlong speeches that must be carried by all national broadcasters by law is true, it happens here as well.
     
  15. Ondskan

    Ondskan Emperor

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    You're American, right?
    Look we don't know what "here" means just cause you know.
     
  16. Ondskan

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    So criticizing Israel and zionism is anti-semitic?
     
  17. Takhisis

    Takhisis Jinping, wer fragt uns?

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    up yours!
    'Here' is Buenos Aires.
    It is not, but saying 'don't vote Capriles Radonski because he's Jewish' kinda is. leaving aside my usual ranting about how Arabs are Semites, too.
     
  18. Leoreth

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    It's not, but that's not what happened. Imo, even treating Capriles as a Jew just because he has Jewish ancestors is antisemitic. Using it to discredit him even more so.
     
  19. Formaldehyde

    Formaldehyde Both Fair And Balanced

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    What does that say about almost half the Americans who wouldn't vote for an atheist or a Muslim for president? Or the 1/3rd who wouldn't vote for someone who was a homosexual?

    At least 91% of Americans would now vote for a Jew when 64 years ago 37% would not. But back then a third wouldn't vote for a Catholic and a bit more than a third would have voted for someone who was black.

    At least antisemitism is finally dying for the most part in the US.
     
  20. Takhisis

    Takhisis Jinping, wer fragt uns?

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    up yours!
    It says that most of the U.S. electorate have very strong prejudices that they're still struggling to overcome, and that they have quite the cheek to call themselves a democratic or liberal country, bastion of freedom and equality, etc. etc. None of which disproves in any way the fact that Chávez is a power-hungry megalomaniac whose family and friends have misteriously become millionaires after coming to power.
     

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