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Chicken Itza: What is the point?

Discussion in 'Civ4 - General Discussions' started by NintendoTogepi, Apr 15, 2008.

  1. NintendoTogepi

    NintendoTogepi Noble Pacifist

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    This is the worst wonder in the game IMO. It costs too many hammers, and 25% defense is a horrible bonus. Plus it expires at the point where it would actually be useful! It's better just to build Angkor Wat with your hammers....so useless. The only time I have ever built it is when I was playing an "RPC" as Pacal and one of the rules was that I had to build Chicken Itza, the Mayan wonder.

    What do you think of this useless wonder?
     
  2. one2tieyourshoe

    one2tieyourshoe Warlord

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    Never build it. Unless I have a city with nothing better to do... which never happens...
     
  3. eewallace

    eewallace King

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    I never bother with it. It comes with Code of Laws, and as soon as I have that, there are lots of other things to be built that are higher priority. I guess it might be useful if you are playing a peaceful civ that is seriously surrounded by warmongers though.
     
  4. Supr49er

    Supr49er 2011 Thunderfall Cup

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    Chicken Itza the awful wonder that lets you hide in your cities, afraid to fight. :D

    I never build it either, well I did built it once just to have Chichen Itza in the city of Chichen Itza.
     
  5. one2tieyourshoe

    one2tieyourshoe Warlord

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    I should edit my post and say that while I oppose building Chichen Itza, I wholeheartedly support the making of Chicken Pizza. :mischief:
     
  6. Navarre

    Navarre Legio XIII

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    I build it sometimes when I'm industrious and have stone. I like to see an AI coming with two cats and starting to bomb your 125% defense 4% by 4%.

    "Sitting Bull has reduced the defenses to 121 %"
    "Sitting Bull has reduced the defenses to 117 %"
    "Sitting Bull has reduced the defenses to 113 %"
    "Sitting Bull has reduced the defenses to 109 %"
    ...

    Meanwhile, you take his whole empire.
     
  7. BalbanesBeoulve

    BalbanesBeoulve Emperor

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    This. If i'm wonderspamming and I have nothing else to build i'll build it just for the extra gpp. I'll usually turn all my citizens working hills into specialists and just let the settled great people build it. If i lose it, no big loss, i'll be happy for the extra gold.
     
  8. Bob-san

    Bob-san Noble

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    That's always good--since some AI are just stupid about barrages. They spend a dozen turns barraging your city, meaning you can get two or three dozen defenders there. That, and they cannot barrage away your fortify or city defender bonuses, so they lose either way. I usually try to spare a sort of horse unit, to kill their siege weapons and force them to give me easy XP.
     
  9. joncnunn

    joncnunn Senior Java Wizard Moderator

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    My only use for it is when I have Stone and want the extra GPP myself.
     
  10. Morgrad

    Morgrad Attack Rodent

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    Priest GPPs are a good reason to build it, plus it boosts your power score as well.

    Really the only time I shoot for it is if I wouldn't mind the GPPs and could definitely use the cash if someone beats me to it.

    Or if I'm Industrious and have Stone, in which case it's basically free, anyway...
     
  11. Navarre

    Navarre Legio XIII

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    There are more useful wonders if you just want the GPP. Angkor Vat and the Shwedagon Paya come to mind, not to mention Stonehenge, the Oracle and the AP.
     
  12. Sim_One

    Sim_One Emperor

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    I found it less useful to build it. The stronger your cities' defense, the less likely the AI will attack head on and more likely it will just go around pillaging your cottages.
     
  13. Ormur

    Ormur Prince

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    It's one of the three wonders I never bother with building even if I'm addicted to wonders in general. I sometimes build it if my wonderspamming capital has no better wonder or building to build.
     
  14. NintendoTogepi

    NintendoTogepi Noble Pacifist

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    Which are the other two? :king:
     
  15. J-man

    J-man Deity

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    The plus side of this wonder is that you can refer to it as "the chicken pizza". Which is kinda cool I think. :p
     
  16. Iranon

    Iranon Deity Whipping Boy

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    I guess the Shwedagon Paya isn't needed much for the heavy wonderspammer... Organised Religion is available early and by the time the wonder backlog is small enough that Pacifism becomes preferable you have access to it anyway.

    It can also make sense to leave the Mausoleum of Mausollus to an AI on purpose - golden ages are most attractive in the late game by which time you can have captured it.
    The AI also tends to build Versailles in a place that's more attractive for a conqueror than for them :)
     
  17. Xiahou Mao

    Xiahou Mao Son of the Blind Xiahou

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    Since BtS came out, I don't think Chichen Itza becomes obsolete anymore, does it?

    With the changes to bombardment, an extra 25% isn't a laughable bonus anymore. That's possibly an extra few turns of required bombardment, not that bombardment does set damage rather than a percentage of the total. Of course, most human players would rather be on the offensive than the defensive, but if you build it, you guarantee that no AI will get it and annoy you. Like the Statue of Zeus, in that regard.
     
  18. Quotey

    Quotey Emperor

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    The point? To make it harder for the human player to conquer. Useful for denial.
     
  19. jray

    jray King

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    Here are the reasons I build it:

    1. Extra GPP
    2. Power rating boost (equivalent to two Longbowmen)
    3. Extra culture if going for a Cultural Victory
    4. Denial

    In particular, I never build it for the extra defense :). However, one time it actually came in handy because I finished it right before one of my brand new cities was invaded, and the +25% saved my butt.

    P.S. It's still obsolete with Rifling.
     
  20. Wodan

    Wodan Deity

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    Think about it this way: the 25% bonus is immune to siege reduction.

    Have a better opinion yet? ;)

    Wodan
     

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