There is also a saying "Catholicism is a hospital for sinners, not a saint hall of fame."
Child Protection Chief of the Catholic Church admits to child porn
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GhostWriter16
Deity
Blaming many for the actions of a few is wrong.
Punish the criminals, don't judge others because they happen to be in the same group.
Punish the criminals, don't judge others because they happen to be in the same group.
So you do not judge the non-criminal members of Al Queda?
Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
There's a difference between criminals happening to be part of a group, and the group having demonstrated a systematic commitment to criminality. The Catholic Church, in its constant and flagrant evasion of the law at all levels of the church hierarchy, has demonstrated itself to be very much in the second set.
The_Tyrant
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Al Qaeda is a terrorist organization whose goal is to destroy western civilization. The goal of the Catholic church is not to advance pedophilia.
aelf
Ashen One
"Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."
LucyDuke
staring at the clock
It's not an excuse. But it's at least part of the reason. We can't ever change anything if we don't look at the reasons why they happen.
Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
So as long as criminality isn't actually drawn up in the group charter, the organisation cannot be held in itself responsible? Would that not imply, for example, the CPSU couldn't be held collectively responsible for its atrocities, because the mass-killing of civilians and political dissidents wasn't explicitly its "goal", just something that it happened to indulge in on the way?
GhostWriter16
Deity
"Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."
What the heck does this even have to do with anything?
I don't like the Catholic Church much, its claims to infallible dogmas which contradict the Bible in several cases and then calling heretic those who disagree with them rather than allowing them to read the Bible for themselves... The Catholic Church does go against a lot of what I stand for.
But I refuse to brand them as pedophiles. That's simply unfair, and would be a total destruction of the Golden Rule. Just because I don't care for an organization doesn't mean I'll lie about them to shame them.
useless
Social Justice Rogue
And what of those that were actually charged or have evidence of prior child abuse when they were/or still are, priests?
Are they not pedophiles?
Are they not pedophiles?
GhostWriter16
Deity
Well, merely charging it doesn't make it true, but if they're proven guilty, yes.
Doesn't mean the entire Church endorses it.
Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
Who's claiming that they're all paedophiles?
What's being argued is that the organisation can be held collectively responsible for the criminal activity involved in sheltering child molesters, and thus in enabling the molestation of children, because this activity has been shown to be concious and systematic.
It seems the Catholic Church is more successful at its non-goal than Al Qaeda is at its goal.
aelf
Ashen One
What the heck does this even have to do with anything?
It's called a joke. It's what people tell to amuse each other and themselves. Not sure if they have it in heaven, but that's what people do on earth.
GhostWriter16
Deity
aelf
Ashen One
This is extremely suprising to me... Seriously though this is compeltely unsuprising but now thinking about it I'm not sure if the rates of pedophilia are extremely different from one religous group to another. I think there maybe more coverage and incedents in the news about these scandals because of the numbers of roman catholics present in the world. But yeah this is unacceptable none the less, no matter what relgious group a leader belongs to.
GhostWriter16
Deity
Honestly, it simply wasn't funny.
There's a little thing I like to call "I shouldn't have laughed at this, but it was still funny" and that's how I'd probably react if somebody said something "blasphemous" that was actually humorous (Assuming such a thing were possible.)
That said, your joke simply wasn't funny.
There's a little thing I like to call "I shouldn't have laughed at this, but it was still funny" and that's how I'd probably react if somebody said something "blasphemous" that was actually humorous (Assuming such a thing were possible.)
That said, your joke simply wasn't funny.
aelf
Ashen One
You've got me, Domination3000. You've ruined my credibility on OT and taught me a lesson for poking fun at the Bible
Child molestation takes place in the catholic church in comparable (or even lower) rates than in society as a whole. It's more the massive coverup that spanned decades (centuries? millenia?) and the globe, at all levels of the church, that has people riled up.
