China and India-- the Asian "hordes".

[siredgar]

On a realistic map, China and India always emerge on top, especially at the beginning of the game. I can usually put down India with some help, but China is virtually unstoppable. Russia never seems to expand fast enough to act as a bulwark against them and I have to give them a lot of aid and enlist allies, too.

Even in random maps, China and India seem to expand faster than other civs and it's annoying because they like to plant new cities in my territory or random places a lot. They definitely prove that expansion is the most important aspect of the game.

Anyone else get the same feeling about these two civs, especially on a realistic map? Also, I don't feel that Britain and Japan settle enough colonies, even though Britain is expansionist, too.

 

[wohmongarinf00l]

Originally posted by siredgar
On a realistic map, China and India always emerge on top, especially at the beginning of the game. I can usually put down India with some help, but China is virtually unstoppable. Russia never seems to expand fast enough to act as a bulwark against them and I have to give them a lot of aid and enlist allies, too.

India expands fast at the beginning of the game. China is average on expansion but begins to pick up during the industrial age and then they really get hot!
During the later eras of perpetual warfare, China absorbs a lot
of territory and plants cities everywhere a spot opens.



Anyone else get the same feeling about these two civs, especially on a realistic map? Also, I don't feel that Britain and Japan settle enough colonies, even though Britain is expansionist, too.

 

[allhailIndia]

Now do you know who is going to lead the world into the next century

 

[siredgar]

India starts good, but always collapses in my games.

Anyhow, I don't think India has much of chance to "lead the world" any time soon. It'll need to make more friends in the world if it's going to do that.

Regardless, you'll first have to get rid of all that filth on your streets, not to mention the bubonic plague (only place in the world that still has it), before thinking about anything more ambitious.

 

[God]

India just had a recent outbreak of the Plague. 5 people dead.

 

[zama666]

Let see - Indian and Chinese doctors - only about 90% of the doctors here in NA, then comes the engineers etc....

Yep - a billion people with cell phones will lead the world....

Z

 

[Zouave]

Originally posted by siredgar
On a realistic map, China and India always emerge on top, especially at the beginning of the game. I can usually put down India with some help, but China is virtually unstoppable. Russia never seems to expand fast enough to act as a bulwark against them and I have to give them a lot of aid and enlist allies, too.

Even in random maps, China and India seem to expand faster than other civs and it's annoying because they like to plant new cities in my territory or random places a lot. They definitely prove that expansion is the most important aspect of the game.

Anyone else get the same feeling about these two civs, especially on a realistic map? Also, I don't feel that Britain and Japan settle enough colonies, even though Britain is expansionist, too.

China is indeed unstoppable because it is practically alone on very fertile and large terrain. I even tried giving the Japanese all sorts of advantages in the Editor (such as four initial techs) and it didn't help. India is too far away and too passive to make a difference.

You simply have to go into Civilizations/Editor and seriously handicap China in some manner, perhaps with no initial techs or something else.

This problem would be less dramatic if we can add an aggressive Mongol civ to keep them busy while the Japanese set up some cities in Korea. Also, moving the start location to the HISTORIC capital of China (not Beijing) way to the southwest will also give the Japanese a chance at getting some cities on the mainland.

 

[The Art of War]

I HATE CHINA SO MUCH!!!! Right now, I'm playing Japan and I started with my island and moved out to take most of what is now Korea and a little further inward. Those b*****ds wanted a tribute and I didn't pay and there goes 4 of my cities. Then, they got help from every other civ in Eurasia except for india and now they are all at war with me, little ol Japan. Well, they're gonna pay. . . *hangs head in shame*no, they won't....

 

[siredgar]

Well, I handicapped China by not allowing them to build "happiness" improvements and India is not allowed to build "science" improvements. But they still compete heavily even in the latter stages of the game because they have expanded so much that they just trade techs for money or whatnot. Japan has no chance on the mainland, TheArtofWar, I'm afraid. They are way too afraid to even attack China at all. I wish they could like in World War II and I have enlisted them many times, but they focus on attacking China's islands. India is pretty easy to knock out. It's easy to take their colonies in the Middle East and Africa and then if you want to annihilate them, just enlist... China!

 

[praestare]

The Art of War wrote:
I'm playing Japan and I started with my island

It's never good to start from a lonely isialnd. In a realistic map, English and Japan both lose before the game start.

Also, India is not aggresive enough to compete as a leader, I mean in the game.

 

[The Art of War]

I like the island, it lets me stay in isolation until I'm ready to come out! Also, I'm doing pretty well with my British Empire, although I lost Algiers a few turns ago.. .