China and Japan

[Immortal Ace]

LMFAO.

US go to war with China?

One, economic ties would make it impossible.

Two, say goodbye to the West Coast. The Chinese nuclear missiles would make the west coast a nuclear wasteland.

Way to go on sparking the end of the world as the US will send retaliatory strikes.

Some people just have no god damned sense when they post.

Hey, we talked about this in my Japanese class today. あー、今日日本語の授業でこれについて話した...

Naturally, the islands should stay under Japanese jurisdiction until the rightful government of the Chinese Nationalist Party is restored in Nanjing, at which time negotiations would be prudent.

Do I need to call you out on your lack of knowing anything at all again?

 

[amadeus]

Do I need to call you out on your lack of knowing anything at all again?

Looks all OK to me.

あー a- - hey!
今日　kyou - today
日本語　nihongo - Japanese language
の no - noun modifier
授業 jyugyou - class
で de - indicates place of action
これ kore - this
について nitsuite - about/concerning
話した hanahorsehockeya - spoke (conj. past tense)

オマエが日本語が話せるか知らなかった。
(I didn't know you can speak Japanese.)

 

[Dachs]

LMFAO.

US go to war with China?

One, economic ties would make it impossible.

Two, say goodbye to the West Coast. The Chinese nuclear missiles would make the west coast a nuclear wasteland.

Way to go on sparking the end of the world as the US will send retaliatory strikes.

LMFAO

UK go to war with Germany?

One, economic ties would make it impossible.

Two, say goodbye to the British coastline. The German High Seas Fleet and zeppelins would make the North Sea coast a bombed-out wasteland.

Way to go on sparking the end of the world as everybody's alliances will make retaliatory strikes.

 

[Immortal Ace]

Unlike Zeppelins and a naval fleet, there is nothing to stop this once it gets launched.

Fail harder next time.

amadeus, I was referring to your comment about the CCP not being the legit government of China.

 

[Dachs]

And yet, nuclear weapon use is not automatically a consequence of conflict between states with nuclear weapons. Classic example is the Kargil war.

Furthermore, would nuclear weapon use be That Crippling? Opinions are divergent.

 

[Immortal Ace]

And yet, nuclear weapon use is not automatically a consequence of conflict between states with nuclear weapons. Classic example is the Kargil war.

Furthermore, would nuclear weapon use be That Crippling? Opinions are divergent.

You think China wouldn't launch this if it got invaded and was looking at possibly being occupied and the ruling Gov ousted?

If you believe that I have some land to sell you, mate.

And not crippling? I've concluded either you have no clue as to what you're saying or a troll. Because I cannot possibly believe anyone could be that mind numbingly stupid I will go with the latter.

 

[Dachs]

You think China wouldn't launch this if it got invaded and was looking at possibly being occupied and the ruling Gov ousted?

If you believe that I have some land to sell you, mate.

But that's not necessarily what China would be looking at at all. Does anybody honestly have a clue as to how a great-power war would turn out in this day and age? No, because nobody's ever had one. We can make some guesses about what's happened in regional conflicts and wars between, say, India and Pakistan, and based on relative military strengths and so forth. But do you know what the US military's plan of campaign is in the event of a war with the PRC? Is that plan even a particularly good guide as to how war would turn out?

 

[Glassfan]

Japan and China have a long history of conflict, going back to the Mongol invasion attemps. A lot of the current bad feelings have to do with Japanese war attrocities from the 1930's and 40's which the Japs decline to recognize or apologize for.

This kind of thing happens frequently and is not any war-provoking controversy.

But just for giggles, what would the US Navy do? As long as President Obama is in charge, it will look the other way.

 

[Cheetah]

I say the same thing as I said about Taiwan, what the heck China? You control over 1/5th of the world's populace and yet you greed for more. Not to mention, Japan is a freer country then you.

You're not making any logical sense. If China has a lot of people, then of course it would like a lot of natural resources to make their people more prosperous.

And which country is the "freest" is completely moot in an actual conflict.

Isn't Japan a Non-NATO ally of the US (I don't for sure remember.) Perhaps we could use it as an excuse to threaten China to back out of the NK situation (Just let us free them already) and to stay the heck out of Taiwan. Otherwise, threaten invasion. They wouldn't call the bluff if we had a strong and bold enough man to do it.

Of course they would call a bluff about invasion! The only thing the US could bluff about is some limited form of bombing of mainland China and a good attempt at an economic blockade. And if you think the US and its economy would get out of that unharmed you seriously can't have been thinking before you posted.

And finally, I'm not sure if the value of a potential oil field is greater than the value of Taiwan and North Korea. Doesn't look like a trade China would accept. Especially since they hold that they already own the islands...

Isn't america responsible for their protection since the WW2 treaty banned them from declaring war and disbanded most of their millitary?

Japan's postwar constitution forbids it to go on offensive wars or to spend more than 1% of its GDP on its military, which is called the Japanese Self-Defense Force.

Now, considering that Japan is the world second-largest economy, their 1% GDP military is quite a beast to be reckoned with...

Its amazing (And awesome) That even the people of China recognize the evil of China's government.

China is an anti-freedom country and so is an enemy of the United States, or at least, they should be.

He didn't say anything about the Chinese government in his post... Are you actually reading what people write?

And anyway, the US does not choose its friends by who is the most anti-freedom or pro-freedom governments. And you know that.

Hey, we talked about this in my Japanese class today. あー、今日日本語の授業でこれについて話した...

Naturally, the islands should stay under Japanese jurisdiction until the rightful government of the Chinese Nationalist Party is restored in Nanjing, at which time negotiations would be prudent.

I'm pretty sure the Nationalists would still want Beijing as the actual capital?

Whatever discussion is going on in this thread, it doesn't seem to have anything to do with the article. The article is about China and Japan fighting over oil in disputed territory...

Fun fact: Japan and Korea is also fighting over another small island with potential gas reserves.

I'm happy Norway and Russia only took 40 years to decide on our maritime border with potential gas fields...

Actually the US Navy is. Which is why neither would be dumb enough to create any sort of armed conflict over the island, because the US/UN would likely shut down the area totally.

Because the US is dumb enough to think that any unwelcome hostile action it takes will not hurt its forces or its economy?

You think China wouldn't launch this if it got invaded and was looking at possibly being occupied and the ruling Gov ousted?

If you believe that I have some land to sell you, mate.

And not crippling? I've concluded either you have no clue as to what you're saying or a troll. Because I cannot possibly believe anyone could be that mind numbingly stupid I will go with the latter.

1. The US does not need to invade China for it to hurt China. And any air attacks on China is very risky business in itself.

2. A US-China war could easily spread to involve Taiwan and Korea.

3. Nuclear powers can still fight limited wars without using nuclear weapons. Both the US and China knows that the other can not actually invade their mainland.

4. Finally, limited use of nuclear weapons is not the be-all, end-all. Japan got hit by two nuclear weapons, and while they could never have survived an endless nuclear attack, the Japanese state was fully functional and operational, if severely hurt, after the nuclear attacks.

 

[SG-17]

That is arguing China is a US ally because she buys US Treasury Bonds.

Nonsense.

Japan is an ally militarily. China is a rival.

China is an economic partner.

Its amazing (And awesome) That even the people of China recognize the evil of China's government.

China is an anti-freedom country and so is an enemy of the United States, or at least, they should be.

China's government isn't evil, it is just taking a while to mature. It gets more and more capitalist every year.



As for Taiwan, I bet that the US and PRC would strike a deal rather than go to war over such a small and resource-less island.

 

[Arakhor]

For once, Domination's black-and-white, sweeping generalisations about being anti-freedom aren't that far from reality. China is heavily regulated and policed and many Western liberties are still being repressed, even as they increasingly urbanise and computerise.

 

[Cheetah]

For once, Domination's black-and-white, sweeping generalisations about being anti-freedom aren't that far from reality. China is heavily regulated and policed and many Western liberties are still being repressed, even as they increasingly urbanise and computerise.

Doesn't matter - freedom or anti-freedom doesn't matter in (international) politics and power struggles.

 

[Tee Kay]

China's government isn't evil, it is just taking a while to mature. It gets more and more capitalist every year.

So it gets more and more evil every year?

 

[GhostWriter16]

Doesn't matter - freedom or anti-freedom doesn't matter in (international) politics and power struggles.

They should though IMO. Our job is to protect freedom. Now, to invade every country that ISN'T free just on those grounds would cost too much and make us too hated, but we should not be friendly with such countries or support them. That's why I don't think we should have truly alligned with Russia in WWII. We should have not attacked them until we killed Germany, but Russia committed mass genocide too and should have been invaded.

There is a difference between dictatorship and genocide. Dictators have to be tolerated by countries like the US and the UK, but we should not support them. Those that commit genocide should not be tolerated.

Just curious Arakhor, but would you be strongly against invaded North Korea? The country that has thousands of people emigrate illegally to CHINA every year as refugees, even though if China deports them they run the risk of execution for "Criticizing the quality of life in North Korea?"

Any country so unfree that CHINA has to take them as REFUGEES should just be liberated. We could use the argument that they are rightfully part of the ROK anyway.

 

[warpus]

There won't be a war over this.

Canada, Russia, Norway, the U.S., and Denmark are having similar issues over who owns what in the arctic... There are more players involved, making negotiations more difficult, but some of the issues have already been worked out (between Russia and Norway for example)

Then again this is China and Japan, and they hate eachother. I'd expect other countries (U.S., Russia, maybe the EU) to step in before it comes to blows.

 

[Arakhor]

I would be more than happy to see the DRPK leadership removed and a fairer government installed, if only based on human rights issues alone.

 

[GhostWriter16]

I would be more than happy to see the DRPK leadership removed and a fairer government installed, if only based on human rights issues alone.

I agree

North Korea is so authoritarian that even talking of rebellion would probably lead to an execution on the spot. They need outside influence, if not an invasion than an assassination.

Oh, and you shouldn't expect to threaten to NUKE SOMEONE and not be attacked.

 

[Luckymoose]

I agree

North Korea is so authoritarian that even talking of rebellion would probably lead to an execution on the spot. They need outside influence, if not an invasion than an assassination.

Oh, and you shouldn't expect to threaten to NUKE SOMEONE and not be attacked.

North Koreans have better social services than we do.

And yes if you threaten to nuke someone you should totally not be afraid of being invaded.

 

[GhostWriter16]

North Koreans have better social services than we do.

And yes if you threaten to nuke someone you should totally not be afraid of being invaded.

Only if you are the US

 

[Luckymoose]

You are really ignorant to the world aren't you? North Korea has a higher literacy rate than the US. More readied access to health care, which is also free along with education and all other basic needs. North Korea has a better education system than USA.