China evacuates millions as typhoon nears

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BEIJING, China (CNN) -- As Typhoon Krosa barreled toward eastern China over the weekend, every level of the Chinese government was whipped into action, evacuating 1.4 million people from the two coastal provinces on which Krosa set its sights.

Krosa stormed across Taiwan, reportedly killing five people, before hammering Zhejiang and Fujian provinces with ferocious winds, rain, flooding and general devastation. Roads were blocked with debris, residents were left without power, businesses closed, schools shut down -- but there were no official reports of deaths in China.

Analysts and observers said China's ability to move hundreds of thousands of people out of harm's way speaks to the country's exceptional ability to mobilize resources and people to deal with disasters.

"We do a decent job in responding to earthquakes," said a Chinese official, requesting anonymity. "We do a better job in dealing with natural disasters that we can anticipate, like typhoons. We can often avoid or minimize deaths if not destruction."

Various factors work in China's favor, not the least of which is the republic's top-down, one-party Leninist political system, which allows Beijing to implement -- and in some cases, impose -- contingency plans. VideoWatch Krosa slam into Taiwan en route to China »

It is the picture of efficiency, said Ramsey Rayyis, China representative for the American Red Cross. There is no political infighting, he said, because every level of government -- from mayors and provincial governors to village chiefs and elders -- is loyal to the Communist Party.

"The government's managing it. It's going to put the plans in motion, and it's going to go forward," Rayyis said. "There are no politically motivating factors that descend from that."

Also helpful is the culture, he said.

"The nature of the country and the nature of how the government is managed, people respond to government calls," he said. "When the government says you need to do this, people respond."

The Ministry of Civil Affairs heads the effort, tapping the predominantly state-run media to issue evacuation orders and deploying police and the People's Liberation Army to administer the disaster response and management initiatives.

Orders from the Cabinet-level agency trickle down to provincial government officials, then down to municipal authorities and village leaders.

Military buses -- and in the case of flooding, boats -- are used to ferry people to safety, which could come in the form of a local gym, schoolhouse, stadium, theater, hostel or simply higher ground. Rarely are people transported more than six miles (10 kilometers) from their homes.

As Krosa neared -- but hours before its landfall -- the Ministry of Civil Affairs ordered about 75,000 boats and ships back to harbor. The ministry also ordered the closure of coastal tourist destinations, where thousands had flocked for the National Day holiday weekend, which ended the day Krosa struck.

Of the 1.4 million evacuees, more than 500,000 were vacationers at Zhejiang's seaside resorts.

In Fujian province, provincial authorities designated a 3.5 million yuan (about $470,000) relief fund, pitched 22,000 tents and distributed 50,000 cases of bottled water, 20,000 quilts and 300,000 pounds of rice.

It's not always easy though, especially when residents are reluctant to leave or don't feel the danger is grave enough to warrant evacuation.

In these cases, tens of thousands of soldiers and local police are deployed throughout cities to enforce evacuations and maintain order.

A few weeks ago in Taizhou City, also in Zhejiang, the government responded to another typhoon by mobilizing 300,000 government officials who quickly shut down businesses and schools, evacuated 372,000 residents and ordered the return of 7,900 boats and ships to harbor.

Some residents were ordered to leave, andgovernment officials provided evacuees with shelter, blankets, bottled water and instant noodles.

One Communist Party official told Chinese media that keeping everyone safe was worth inconveniencing folks.

"We'd rather hear people curse us before the imminent disaster than hear people cry after the disaster," the party secretary for Wenzhou City in Zhejiang was quoted.

But while the system is effective, the efficiency cannot be entirely attributed to a central Communist regime and obedient populace, said Rayyis of the American Red Cross. Chinese officials have myriad plans for all types of disasters and regularly run drills and simulations to test those preparations.

"The situation really dramatically changed after the SARS scare a few years back," Rayyis said, referring to the severe acute respiratory syndrome fright that gripped Asia in 2003 and 2004. "It really highlighted the gaps."

For context on China's preparedness, compare the republic's response to Krosa with neighboring Vietnam's to Typhoon Lekima last week.

Lekima hit the Vietnamese coast with winds of about 80 mph (129 kph), relatively weak in terms of hurricanes. But after heavy rains drenched the flood-prone villages of Vietnam -- some of the worst flooding in decades -- at least 67 were reported dead as many homes were left underwater. Watch efforts to help the victims of Vietnam's floodingVideo

Joe Lowry of the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies told The Associated Press, "Preparations were made for the storm, but they didn't take the flood warnings seriously enough."

In China,said Rayyis, government officials are prepared for the full gamut of disasters -- be it typhoon, tsunami, earthquake, drought, wildfires, flooding or terrorist attack. According to the Asian Disaster Reduction Center, natural disasters affect up to 200 million Chinese people a year.

"It's pretty standard cyclical disaster," Rayyis said. "Every year we know something's going to happen and every year we know it's going to be big."

Because the economic toll of these events often soars into the billions -- not to mention the human toll -- it is important for China's development and well-being to have solid disaster plans in place, Rayyis said.

Despite the nation's record of efficiency in disaster response, Rayyis said he still marvels over how meticulously the government administers its efforts.

"Every time I see it, I have to say, it's impressive," he said.

A crappy 5th world nation is capable of evacuation more than 1 million residents out of harms way and yet the Bush administration failed to empty the city of New Orleans. Can we have a more incompetent government?
 
In all fairness the Chinese government does have the right to force these people out, I'm not sure the governments here could have done that.
 
Not to mention typhoon's have been hitting the region since recorded history and civilization as we know it has existed since recorded history vs. settlements on the Gulf Coast for only 200 years.
 
at least they can contingency-plan, that's for sure.
 
Not to mention typhoon's have been hitting the region since recorded history and civilization as we know it has existed since recorded history vs. settlements on the Gulf Coast for only 200 years.

Mmmh. So you think it will take thousands of years until the US government and the citizens of New Orleans manage to pull a proper response to a hurricane warning?
 
I would leave my home for free instant noodles in a hurry.
 
Various factors work in China's favor, not the least of which is the republic's top-down, one-party Leninist political system, which allows Beijing to implement -- and in some cases, impose -- contingency plans. VideoWatch Krosa slam into Taiwan en route to China »

"The government's managing it. It's going to put the plans in motion, and it's going to go forward," Rayyis said. "There are no politically motivating factors that descend from that."
In all fairness the Chinese government does have the right to force these people out, I'm not sure the governments here could have done that.

It is amazing how even a government's efficient crisis handling can be used as evidence of its brutality. And to answer your question, the US government can absolutely force you out of your homes if it deem such measure necessary too effectuate its "police power".

Not to mention typhoon's have been hitting the region since recorded history and civilization as we know it has existed since recorded history vs. settlements on the Gulf Coast for only 200 years.

I was not aware of any ancient manual that told the Chinese how to respond to a typhoon or that 200 years is not enough time to build a good contingency plan. The fact is the US government had way more equipment and money at its disposal and is also supposed to be more efficient than the Chinese.
 
Mmmh. So you think it will take thousands of years until the US government and the citizens of New Orleans manage to pull a proper response to a hurricane warning?

Perhaps. It's like a second sense to them over there. They've been developing technologies and precautions that now run like clock work.

Besides the place is a rural area that's above sea level as opposed to an entire city below sea level that is composed of people that have a severe distrust of the government. Which would be easier to evacuate?
 
A crappy 5th world nation is capable of evacuation more than 1 million residents out of harms way and yet the Bush administration failed to empty the city of New Orleans. Can we have a more incompetent government?
Do you really think we should have sent in the army and forcibly removed people from New Orleans?
 
Well, having the army on standby for the relief efforts would have saved many lives. Given that what happened in New Orleans wasn't even the worst-case scenario, and given that all levels of government were aware of the studies done about the impacts of a category 5 storm hitting New Orleans directly, the failures were pretty unforgivable.
 
A crappy 5th world nation is capable of evacuation more than 1 million residents out of harms way and yet the Bush administration failed to empty the city of New Orleans. Can we have a more incompetent government?
If you want sacrifice liberty for security.....well, there's China. For those of us who don't like that idea....there's America. ;)
 
Do you really think we should have sent in the army and forcibly removed people from New Orleans?

it would certainly have saved more lives (potentially)


not sure I completely like the idea, but it would have gotten more done
 
It is amazing how even a government's efficient crisis handling can be used as evidence of its brutality. And to answer your question, the US government can absolutely force you out of your homes if it deem such measure necessary too effectuate its "police power".

It's amazing how even a natural disaster can be used to take a pot shot at the Bush Admin by someone who pretends to care that lives may be in danger...

What I meant, is that Chinese are much more used to the government being able to make them do this and that. They'd not have much to do when the government tells them to leave. But in America, people would certainly blink and double take a few times if this type of thing ever happened.

While the American government may have the ability to do this, they're much less likely to do it because of the response they would get. You heard the Chinese official saying that the government didn't care how the populace responded, American government just doesn't have that kind of resolve for things like this.
 
If you want sacrifice liberty for security.....well, there's China. For those of us who don't like that idea....there's America. ;)

Sadly there's lots of Americans who feel that a few nutjobs with a bomb should alter this way of life for us USians.:shake:
 
It was Bush's responsibility to evacuate New Orleans? What? :crazyeye:

Not to mention the outcry if anyone, much less Bush, sent in the National Guard to forcibly remove all the residents of New Orleans.
 
It was Bush's responsibility to evacuate New Orleans? What? :crazyeye:

Not to mention the outcry if anyone, much less Bush, sent in the National Guard to forcibly remove all the residents of New Orleans.

there would have been an outcry, but some thousands more could have survived.
 
Thing is with that; thousands of people would be complaining that the governmnt overstepped its boundaries. Government shouldn't forcibly remove people from homes.

and thousands of people would be weeping for joy. things change when emergencies occur. if a hurricane were to sweep the atlantic coast and hit new york city, would we sit and watch or would we forcibly remove the people to their safety?
 
and thousands of people would be weeping for joy. things change when emergencies occur. if a hurricane were to sweep the atlantic coast and hit new york city, would we sit and watch or would we forcibly remove the people to their safety?

People know how to evacuate on their own.
 
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