China reinforces one-child stance

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China reinforces one-child stance

Hundreds of people in central China have been expelled from the Communist Party for violating the one-child policy, state media has reported.

More than 90,000 people in Hubei province defied the policy in 2007, Xinhua news agency said.

These included 1,678 officials and party members, the agency said. Of these, 500 had been expelled from the party and 395 stripped of their posts.

China implemented the policy, to curb population growth, in the late 1970s.

Urban couples are limited to one child, while rural couples may have two if the first is a girl.

But as China has grown wealthier, couples who can afford to pay the fines are choosing to ignore the policy and have bigger families.

"More party members, celebrities and well-off people are violating the policies in recent years, which has undermined social equality," said Yang Youwang, director of the provincial family planning commission.

A number of cases involving celebrities and officials were still being investigated, he said.

The report did not say whether all the 90,000 people who defied the policy in the province had been punished.

China credits the one-child policy with bringing its soaring population under control.

But the controversial restrictions have also led to a serious gender imbalance, as some couples choose to abort female foetuses in order to make sure their only child is a boy.

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How dare those vile selfish people have more children than the party allows! :mad: lol

Do you think that expelling people from the communist party will lead to more opposition against the government in future?

With China's wealth increasing, do you think the communist party are creating a situation where the population will be more reluctant to part with their property (shooting themselves in the foot)?

Plus, with young people joining the party for job opportunities rather than loyalty to communism (source), do you think the chances of China making the change become ever slimmer?
 
I actually side with China's commies on that. Similar law should be enforced in India and the other developing countries too.

Overpopulation in some parts of the world is a huge problem and anything that helps to mitigate it is good.
 
Parenting is not a fundamental right. Children are not property.
 
Possibly comes under article 12 of the UDHR?

No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

Anyway, I think the point is that its unenforceable, just like other communist ideas. Here, the government have just created a situation where people can get around the law if they have enough money. There's nothing else they can do to stop this without severely violating human rights. How should parents be punished for having more than one child? Prison? Execution? Having all of their assets taken away? Or maybe they should bring in forced abortions?
 
Possibly comes under article 12 of the UDHR?
Considering the fact that you don't support many other rights in the UDHR, (the UDHR has positive liberty, for example, which you find to be socialist and not fundamental) I think that an appeal to the UDHR is irrelevent. And I'm not really sure how the right to parenting is the same as the right of privacy; the justification certainly isn't arbitrary.

Anyway, I think the point is that its unenforceable, just like other communist ideas. Here, the government have just created a situation where people can get around the law if they have enough money. There's nothing else they can do to stop this without severely violating human rights. How should parents be punished for having more than one child? Prison? Execution? Having all of their assets taken away? Or maybe they should bring in forced abortions?
It probably is unenforcable, because you can't exactly stop people from boinking each other, but that's different from raising the child. The solution, therefore, is voluntary slavery, which is allowed under libertarianism, because clearly all contracts that one has personally signed are non-coersive.
 
Possibly comes under article 12 of the UDHR?

Anyway, I think the point is that its unenforceable, just like other communist ideas. Here, the government have just created a situation where people can get around the law if they have enough money. There's nothing else they can do to stop this without severely violating human rights. How should parents be punished for having more than one child? Prison? Execution? Having all of their assets taken away? Or maybe they should bring in forced abortions?

It's not 100% enforceable, that's a difference and I think Chinese commies are well aware of that. They just need to dissuade some 90% of people from having 2+ kids. The reason why is also kinda obvious, China can hardly sustain it's current population, it's in its national interest to slow down or stop the population growth.

In this case, regulation is necessary.
 
I agree, more people is not a good thing unless we can allow termination of the weak. heh. no, seriously -- that's evolution. As long as we allow the "mentally disabled" and otherwise "unfavorable" to live (I understand they have that right too), they take the place of another who would benefit the world more. Criminals (murderers per se), sure, capital punishment. I don't know, I don't have a stance on these. In theory, good move. The Earth is beyond capacity based on our lifestyles, currently.
 
And thus continues the vicious cycle of kidnapping urban women
 
I can't believe you guys are siding with the Chinese government on this one. Absolutely apalling.
 
I think in all likeyhood it has avoided several famines, which are far, far worse than only being allowed one child
 
The Earth is beyond capacity based on our lifestyles, currently. - sourboy

How many more decades do we have to listen to this kinda tripe...

I really don't understand why you are using so much valuable resources typing away on the intranetz...
 
Anyway, I think the point is that its unenforceable, just like other communist ideas. Here, the government have just created a situation where people can get around the law if they have enough money. There's nothing else they can do to stop this without severely violating human rights. How should parents be punished for having more than one child? Prison? Execution? Having all of their assets taken away? Or maybe they should bring in forced abortions?

The one-child policy is definitely not a communist idea. You can criticize it as a bad idea, but not as a bad communist idea.
I don't think Marx, Engels or Lenin ever talked about limiting family size, because it has nothing to do with what communism is about.

I can't believe you guys are siding with the Chinese government on this one. Absolutely apalling.

Bah, you should actually be happy: as they said in the OP, one perverse effect is that families try to have boys at all costs...

Give it time and natural selection will take care of the problem ;)

Oh, and Elrohir, related question: what do you think of governments pushing for people to have kids, and lot of them, through subsidies and benefits?

More seriously, while I think it's a good idea in a country as populous as China to try to rein in its population, the method is not the best one. People need to realize by themselves why it's a bad idea to have lots of kids, but given that a huge chunk of the country is still made up of poor farming families, that won't happen soon.
 
People need to realize by themselves why it's a bad idea to have lots of kids - Masq

What's your opinion of carbon credits and consumption taxes again? Refresh my memory.
 
This is highly irresponsible on China's part. How dare they suppress the supply of labor needed to export cheap goods to the U.S.
 
How many more decades do we have to listen to this kinda tripe...

I really don't understand why you are using so much valuable resources typing away on the intranetz...

Okay, the Earth may be alright, I won't argue that with you right now (certain north america has lots of space) but China is definitely approaching/beyond its capacity regarding fresh water and other necessities. Encouraging low birthrates/emigration is a responsible course of action by the government, though they should also seek to deal with the spin-off problems (infanticide, skewed gender ratios, kidnappings etc).

Heck given the choice between contraception and abortions now verses famine and execution later, which one would you go for?
 
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