Swein Forkbeard
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What should the Chinese capital be?
Chinese capital?
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Mmmm. Chang An is the ancient name for Xi An. The former means Eternal(literally long) peace, whilst the second means Western peace. The city you want up there would be Luo Yang.
Zhuge_Liang
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Luo Yang!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
moinllieon
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Ideally, it should be Luoyang or Chang'an. Nanjing does not belong in this conversation, at least not over the likes of Luoyang, Kaifeng, Hangzhou, and Anyang.
RandomDude
Chieftain
In Chinese Beijing (or Pekin - everything depends on the romanization method) means Northern Capital and Nanjing (or Nanking) means Southern Capital. So why shouldn't be Nanjing a candidate?
I wonder if there are any experts in Chinese history here. I know that China consisted of several feudng kingdoms for the most part of its ancient and medieval history. Occasianally one of them would unite the whole nation for a short period of time but eventually the country broke up again. So I am assuming that various cities could be the candidates for capital (depending on the rulling kingdom)
I wonder if there are any experts in Chinese history here. I know that China consisted of several feudng kingdoms for the most part of its ancient and medieval history. Occasianally one of them would unite the whole nation for a short period of time but eventually the country broke up again. So I am assuming that various cities could be the candidates for capital (depending on the rulling kingdom)
There is a list of all the historical capitals of China here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_capitals_of_China
You're on drugs. For most of its history, China was united as a single country ruled by several different dynasties. The country borders however changed constantly.
The main dynasties noted for being "China Proper" were Qin, Han, Sui, Tang, Sung, Ming, Qing. Of these, Han and Sung had interruptions, with the latter seeing a major loss of territory and Qing not really being Chinese, but just these 7 dynasties account for ~1600 years of China being a single entity over a period of ~2000 years. Periods of warring states did not last very long, threats of invasion and occupation of parts of China by foreign nations lasted longer.
The choice of capital should probably remain Beijing as I think it has the longest history of being a Chinese capital, though I personally prefer Chang'an because I believe it's more culturally "Chinese". Beijing was/is an awful location for a Chinese capital to be honest.
Úmarth
Megalomaniac
^ That's the remarkable thing about China. And why up until about 200 years ago it was pretty constantly the most technologically advanced and cultured civilzation on Earth.
moinllieon
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Chang'an and Luoyang have both been the capital of China for much much longer than Beijing as both have been capital of China for about 2000 years.
paulthebug
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I prefer Chang'an or Luoyang for 3000BC start and Beijing for 600AD start. It wasn't call Chang'an or Luoyang in 3000BC but the capital, or center of activities was there. In 600AD, Chang'an was indeed the capital for Imperial Tang Dynasty. But then Beijing was the capital from 1200AD to present day almost uninterrupted. So...
Corm
Prince
I always want it to be Xi-an cause its Qin's capital but Bejing makes more sense than any other choice IMHO. Xi-an is the more impressive to look at though. Standing on the city walls today is far more impressive than walking around the Forbidden City or anything else for that matter in Beijing. I still voted Beijing though.
Heres a link to a photo I took there. (ok its just a shamless plug to say go see the place!) http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=468201
Heres a link to a photo I took there. (ok its just a shamless plug to say go see the place!) http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=468201
Úmarth;6076183 said:
China started stagnating in technology due to many factors, lack of competition from the surrounding countries technologically was probably one of them as it made them rather complacent.
Into the Qing dynasty when the western powers started aggressively "trading" with China, many people were against reform and modernisation even after several humiliating defeats as they were stuck with the idea that China was going to eternally remain as a superpower because "it has always been as such".
cybrxkhan
Asian Xwedodah
^and it had "always been such" until around 250 years ago. For better or worse.
But anyways, I voted Chang'an. (and not Xi'an, because isn't that the modern way oof saying the city name?)
But anyways, I voted Chang'an. (and not Xi'an, because isn't that the modern way oof saying the city name?)
Swein Forkbeard
Nintendo Fan
I feel Beijing is somewhat inappropriate as the Chinese capital, particularly in the 3000 b.c. start. As far as I know, Beijing proper (as opposed to various settlements in the region) was founded by the Mongolians, and I always felt it should have been included in the Mongolian core territory, or at least shouldn't flip to the Chinese when China resurfaces. Whenever I play Mongolia I move my capital to Beijing as early as possible, as it was both a Mongolian center of power, and it's just a flat out better position. Of course, if and when China declares independence, this leaves me in a lurch.
A central city location would seem more plausible; It's my understanding that ancient Chinese civilization was centered a ways south of Beijing. Xi'an seems a good choice. Shouldn't the Chang'an and Xi'an votes be added together? They are, after all, the same city.
A central city location would seem more plausible; It's my understanding that ancient Chinese civilization was centered a ways south of Beijing. Xi'an seems a good choice. Shouldn't the Chang'an and Xi'an votes be added together? They are, after all, the same city.
Well, LuoYang is old enough for it became the new capital of Dynasty Zhou in 770BC, known as LuoYi. But the position of the old city is different from the current one. Besides, according to the archaeological result, the old city is now severl meters undergound. Xi'an, called Chang'an in the past, is regarded the "traditional" capital of China because it was the capital of Qin, Han and Tang. The same as LuoYang, the city of Xi'an has been moving its position in the past 3000+ years.
Swein Forkbeard
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Sorry, didn't know that until you posted.
The reason why I don't like the Chynese starting from Beijing is because...
1. Historically, the Chinese first flourished in the Yangtze River Valley. In RFC, the would do the same but first in the Yellow River Valley, which makes no sense. Oh, and in addition, it means that Northern China will usually have more people than Southern China, which is unrealstic historically.
2. Gameplay-wise, Beijing is too close to the Mongolian spawn area. That can be REALLY annoying.
Are you kidding me?!
The civ of China originated in middle part of HuangHe (Yellow River) Valley, when the ChangJiang (Yangtze River) Valley was still full of barbarians. A majority of this valley was conquered & mergered into the Kingdom Chu (as an vassal of Dynast Zhou in its early years), and finally became a part of Dynast Qin -- a well-known empire of China.
