The Kingmaker
Alexander
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I think Lincoln is a definite possibility. He’s iconic. If they want to do someone new that has never been done, I think Thomas Jefferson is likely.
Isn't that good to have a Confederate States of America as another 'American' civ? Even if Civ Emblem is still USA Kiteshield.Why Jefferson Davis who never actually led the U.S. but the Confederate states, which in itself is considered controversial?
Isn't that good to have a Confederate States of America as another 'American' civ? Even if Civ Emblem is still USA Kiteshield.
There was a Civ5 mod that included him AFAIK. Why you see wrongs in it? I think of him and Lincoln as Queen Gorgo and Archon Pericles. Both are Greek leaders.
I agree. Give him a Louisiana Purchase bonus that helps out Recon units and purchase tiles quicker.I think Lincoln is a definite possibility. He’s iconic. If they want to do someone new that has never been done, I think Thomas Jefferson is likely.
The very fact that they broke away from "America" is why I don't think Jefferson Davis should be an alt leader for them. Gorgo and Pericles themselves were rulers of their respective Greek polis at least.Isn't that good to have a Confederate States of America as another 'American' civ? Even if Civ Emblem is still USA Kiteshield.
There was a Civ5 mod that included him AFAIK. Why you see wrongs in it? I think of him and Lincoln as Queen Gorgo and Archon Pericles. Both are Greek leaders.
The civs that get 2nd leaders should be ones that are not adequately represented by one leader alone. Generally speaking, those will be the bigger name civs, most likely civs from vanilla.
Egypt, China, Russia, Japan and Rome are all good contenders.
America is as well, not because they necessarily need a second leader, but because of the game’s main audience. Heck, they were one of very few civs with three leaders in Civ4.
If I had to choose just a few, I would do the following:
China/Mongolia: Kublai Khan, just an obvious choice.
Egypt: A much earlier Pharaoh. Ramses is overdone. Khufu, maybe? Akhenaten as a (very) wild card.
Russia: Ivan the Terrible. Switch out progressive (Peter) for repressive.
Japan: Minamoto Yoritomo. A bit more isolationist, stand-offish and militant than Hojo. Also a Shinto-preferring leader.
Rome: Either a republic leader like Cicero, a “good” emperor like Marcus Aurelius, or a catastrophically bad one like Nero. (Big personalities, etc.)
America: Jefferson, as was discussed above. Maybe Lincoln if they want to play it safe.
I don't mind Wu being a regular of the "appear in one game, sit aside for a newcomer in the next" variety. Being the only woman to ever lead China as well as her own accomplishments gives her a certain level of distinction. Agreed that Qin Shi Huang does not need to be a regular, however, and Mao just needs to never show up again please and thank you.Yongle Emperor - it's great civ that you no longer field monumental idiot and killer Mao as the only leader of 3000 year old civ, now could we please stop endlessly circulating between Wy Zetian and Shi Huangdi?
Personally if you want a militaristic leader of France, go with Philippe Auguste. Louis XIV's military campaigns were expensive and not terribly successful. His abilities should focus on his image as the very embodiment of decadence and/or his patronage of the arts.Louis XIV: A military freek who Napoleon Bonaparte leaned much from him.
That his abilities and agenda were stolen by CdM.^If Louis XIV isn't a good military leader, what do you think about Cardinal Richielieu?
He had ladies in waiting?That his abilities and agenda were stolen by CdM.
^If Louis XIV isn't a good military leader, what do you think about Cardinal Richielieu?
He would have Cardinal Mazarin, Richelieu's successor, but still cool nonetheless.Louis XIV alternate leader for France with his leader ability adding second unique unit, Musketeer, and new Governor, Cardinal Richeleiu. Like Ottomans but even cooler.
No, but he had spies. Now on the topic of ladies in waiting, I would have liked to have seen Wu Zetian in the Black Queen role and Louis XIV in the corpulent wonder-hoarder role...He had ladies in waiting?
I'm fine with Qin being in a game being a wonder builder. Elizabeth would have been great for the spies and Louis XIV as a culture/loyalty and amenities leader.No, but he had spies. Now on the topic of ladies in waiting, I would have liked to have seen Wu Zetian in the Black Queen role and Louis XIV in the corpulent wonder-hoarder role...
Yes, it fits him. I'm positing an alternate vanilla leader roster in which neither Qin nor CdM is in the game and France and China swap roles: Wu Zetian taking CdM's persona and abilities and Louis XIV taking Qin's.I'm fine with Qin being in a game being a wonder builder.
TBH I want my cultural renaissance Lizzy who throws tantrums and shoes.Elizabeth would have been great for the spies
Yeah, assuming we got both Lizzy and Le Roi Soleil, I'd differentiate them by giving Lizzy super Great Writer points and bonus amenities and/or influence from Great Works of Writing, while giving Louis XIV Musketeers and bonus Great Artist points from luxuries adjacent to Châteaux. I'd really love to give him a d'Artagnan unique Great General, but... I wouldn't really go for loyalty or amenities for Louis XIV because, while no one rebelled, Louis XIV had enemies to spare. Louis kind of kept the amenities to himself and his pet favorites.Louis XIV as a culture/loyalty and amenities leader.