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Choosing a religion

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Strategy & Tips' started by King Younk, Jul 30, 2020.

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Which religion/type of economy should I pursue? (multiple choices allowed)

  1. Hinduism

    1 vote(s)
    33.3%
  2. Judaism

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. Confucianism

    1 vote(s)
    33.3%
  4. Cottage Economy

    2 vote(s)
    66.7%
  5. Specialist Economy

    2 vote(s)
    66.7%
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  1. King Younk

    King Younk Warlord

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    Following the Chinese people's liberation of London, Chairman Mao seeks to adopt a religion to unite the Chinese people! However, 2 rival civilizations follow a foreign faith (Hinduism) while Judaism was founded in London, and is twice as popular!

    Should I prioritize a faith for which I have the Holy City, or try to build an alliance with Carthage and the Aztecs by adopting Hinduism?

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    Any other advice? I am planning on clear-cutting the jungle area to be a commercial zone, and turning the rest largely into a research area or military production facility.


    And before someone accuses me of not following advice, I did indeed follow much of it, and have benefited greatly!
     

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  2. King Younk

    King Younk Warlord

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    And what strategy should I use to prevent others from settling on my continent without running the maintenance costs higher? Just attacking them if they do?
     
  3. dankok8

    dankok8 Elected World Leader

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    You have a lot of tiny cities for turn 325. I suspect this is why your economy crashes and you fall behind in tech in a lot of games you post.

    Anyways to answer your questions:

    Re: Religion

    Generally switch to the religion that will help you diplomatically. Thus in this game, Hinduism all the way.

    Re: Economy

    Don't think in terms of Cottage Economy and Specialist Economy. Every good player will use both cottages and specialists. Choose one city with a lot of food and run lots of Specialists. All your other green jungle cities can be made into cottage cheese!
     
  4. King Younk

    King Younk Warlord

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    I am being kept afloat by all the gems I have, though I also have pyramids and thus want to run a lot of specialists. At what point do the specialists pay for themselves? How many do I need?

    I also should do the classic Mao strategy (not a great one), but building a castle and harbor in a coastal city for trade bonuses.

    Any other thoughts on how I should proceed before I do?
     
  5. King Younk

    King Younk Warlord

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    I think claiming the best land on my continent (I cleared off the only other Civ, England) and then worker/cottage spamming would do me well, while pursuing Organized Religion and CoL for Caste System.
     
  6. King Younk

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    Here's where I'm leaving off for the night. I had to destroy 4 cities (same 2 spots, twice rebuilt) of Carthage to maintain my Manifest Destiny goal (control the entire continent).

    I'm wondering how I can most expeditiously achieve my objectives....

    1. Build 20 cities generating at least 40 gold per turn without excessive maintenance cost.
    2. Keep up in technology
    3. Keep my island to myself
    4. Build a Jewish shrine and make some money off of it.
    5. Figure out what kind of victory condition I'll be going for. Maybe Space race?
     

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  7. 5tephen

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    I've not opened your save but from the screenshots you're in a high risk diplo situation! You appear to be worst enemy of Hannibal and Monty is plotting on someone which could be you (unless Monty's already at war with someone you've not met?) Shared religion will help but can you gift Monty anything to bring him to pleased so you can beg him off? A really useful guide for manipulating diplomacy:
    https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/civ-illustrated-1-know-your-enemy.478563/

    If Monty is plotting, I'd have been tempted to keep Pacal at pleased until you knew his target - Pacal could have been a war ally if you're the target and if you weren't you could have joined in against the target or Monty to befriend one side of the war.

    20 cities with low maintenance probably requires communism and state property which would fit well with space race? After state property you could turn all that grassland into watermills and workshops for a hammer economy. Have you seen the space race guidance from FishMan in the Isabella NC game?

    Control of your continent - explore the southern part to find out how much is left to control?
     
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  8. King Younk

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    Am I not building enough wealth? I read that mist buildings are a waste besides granary, library, barracks.
     
  9. King Younk

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    I don’t think Monty is too high of a risk. How many galleys/galleons will they send to attack me? The importance of manifest destiny is to use the naval transport as a limiting factor in an invasion.
     
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    nebux Chieftain

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    Wym?
     
  12. King Younk

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    Closing up for the night. I have secured the continent, besides some nonsense tundra land in the deep south, and plan on going for Space race.

    1. Should I try to conquer Hannibal?
    2. How many workshops should I build? Where should I build them?
    3. Any other thoughts?
     

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  13. Zavior

    Zavior Trying to (b)eat deity

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    3. cancel about 98% of what you are building and build wealth instead.. You can see people already teching sci method and physics while you are still not at lib..
     
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  14. dankok8

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    Given your relative backwardness in tech and a huge production base, winning Con/Dom is probably a better option than Space.
     
  15. Gumbolt

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    1345ad and you have not used a single golden age?
    No liberalism by this date is a mistake. The second mistake is usually caused by the first mistake.
    Bulbing techs? Edu? Lib? Avoid machinery.
    Too few workers for a jungle start.

    Overall winnable as you had so much land. You should be ahead on techs at this level.
     
  16. King Younk

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    I'm doing alright I think. Suryavarman II (sp?) has been giving me flack lately, so I think I'm going to "liberate" his workers as soon as I get cavalry and about 10-15 galleons filled with rifelmen/cavalry/canons, and turn him into a vassal - maybe get Justinian after him.

    That said, I'm concerned a war will distract me from my space race end goal, though the Khmer could sucker punch me at any time given their proximity. That said, he just tried to threaten gunpowder out of me while I have rifles (lol).

    What should I do? I already got pretty caught up in the tech race. I am thinking of three gorges and Internet being a top priority, I'm just wondering if I should pursue a few wars or not, and if so with whom.

    I did that for a while and it really helped, thanks!


    Should I stop building military at some point? I was thinking of only running three or four cities for a constant stream of military production, since I specialized them.


    I'll probably wait for a few hours at this current save until I get some responses.
     

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  17. Zavior

    Zavior Trying to (b)eat deity

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    You should stop building military at the very second your current conquest seems to be won. Unless you are rolling with cuirs/cavs and know that you can just keep on rolling the map over. But if you were, I suspect all the advice given here across all the threads you have made would be pointless.

    This is even more exaggerated on marathon. Should you have the proper technological advantage, you should stop building military while your initial stack is advancing in on enemy lands. Especially on emperor, should you have done a play such as going through a golden age while in caste system running merchants to pop great merchant, conducting a trade mission, thus upgrading your whole stack to the newest military tech before declaring war. You should have such an overwhelming advantage that you could roll over the enemy with very minimal losses. Often this advantage would be great enough to roll over the whole continent, or even the whole map.

    Yeah, you screwed up big time. It is way way way way too late to try to remedy these mistakes now. Considering the land you have, you should be so much ahead of the rest that nothing you do wouldn't even matter. This is the theme that repeats in the threads you make.

    The mistakes you make are made before you post these threads. We can never help you on these.
     
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  18. King Younk

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    Lol, I’ll still win! I’m going forspace race anyway.

    By caught up I mean that I have obtained equality in the techrace.
     
  19. Zavior

    Zavior Trying to (b)eat deity

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    I think this pretty much sums up the thread. As to why you posted this thread, my guess is that you wanted to ask why you are so badly behind when given the circumstances you should not be. But we can only guess.
     
  20. King Younk

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    Nah, I’m not behind. Check the latest save file!
     

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