Lemme look at save. Yep 11 food required for growth with 2 hammers spare from 18 production in city. Where are we planning 3rd city?? Fish?? Rice? Clams?? Heading toward Isabella makes sense if we can't attack her? Only bonus of fish is the food. It would need a border pop or LH to gain anything useful land wise. Chops into settler? Risk of barbs from the east?? How do we counter this? Yes I forgot about Cha. Also helpful on unit promotions too.