1. Firaxis celebrates the "Asian American and Pacific Islander Heritage Month", and offers a give-away of a Civ6 anthology copy (5 in total)! For all the details, please check the thread here. .
    Dismiss Notice

CIA chief says China's rapid military buildup troubling

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Dida, May 1, 2008.

  1. Dida

    Dida YHWH

    Joined:
    Sep 11, 2003
    Messages:
    3,426
    China is getting ever closer to its goal of destroying our democracy!
     
  2. CaptainF

    CaptainF The Professional Poster

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2005
    Messages:
    9,519
    Location:
    541 Oregon
    Fat chance (in hell).
     
  3. Shylock

    Shylock Hey smiling strange

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2005
    Messages:
    2,769
    Location:
    Los Anzeless
    Attack a major trading partner and so close to the Olympics?

    Not very likely. They take us down they're coming with us even if they win.Which while more likely thanks to disarming the populace is still going to be a hell of a fight they'll either lose or reach a pyrrhic victory. The U.S is trying to set up a police state slowly and it's working, but China coming in a putting one up overnight? Won't fly.

    This is probably just an exercise or building up in case Tibet gets any ideas. Or it's yet more FUD and excellent intel from the CIA, or How I learned to stop doing my job right and tell politicians what they want to hear.
     
  4. sonorakitch

    sonorakitch Overseas hunter

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2001
    Messages:
    2,766
    Location:
    Phoenix AZ when I'm home
    They still have a long way to go....

    ~Chris
     
  5. The Yankee

    The Yankee The New Yawker Retired Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2002
    Messages:
    19,467
    Location:
    Minneapolis, MN
    They'd be a bit more likely to smash a couple of other nearby democracies, but I don't see how they're threatening ours, yet.
     
  6. scy12

    scy12 Deity

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2007
    Messages:
    5,181
    You can't let them , can you ? Better to attack first when they least expect it. I believe the most sensible thing to do would be to nuke them at the time of the Olympics. That would protect your democracy .
     
  7. Elrohir

    Elrohir RELATIONAL VALORIZATION

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2004
    Messages:
    12,507
    :lol: Yeah, right. They don't have the power projection capabilities to invade the Hawaiian Islands, much less invade the continental United States and "destroy our democracy."

    If I were living in Taiwan, Japan, India, Pakistan, Russia, or any other nearby nation...I'd be a lot more worried, though.
     
  8. a_propagandist

    a_propagandist The Light Brigadier

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2007
    Messages:
    2,123
    Location:
    Where else?
    Japan, India, Pakistan, and Russia have nothing to fear. Taiwan, however, does. Also, they spend a fraction of what we do. Unless our military is tossing cash away and spending inefficiently, we should keep our edge.
     
  9. scy12

    scy12 Deity

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2007
    Messages:
    5,181
    I think that people should realize that any decline and rise of any power will be economical in nature rather than militaristic. How viable is a clash among Titans ? Or among any Titan and a giant (hint -not Iraq) ? Not much to make it decisive. If People across the Atlantic fear China they should for it's economy and not for it's military although that could prove an issue for them.
     
  10. LesCanadiens

    LesCanadiens Deity

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2002
    Messages:
    2,289
    Location:
    Arse-end of the Earth
    Most non-NATO nations are increasing military spending right now, and quite a few NATO nations are as well. There is nothing unusual going on in Beijing.
     
  11. OttoManD

    OttoManD Prince

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2007
    Messages:
    323
    Though China's military buildup has certainly been accelerating, I think a couple things should be noted also.
    First, their naval buildup has distinctly not been towards a power projecting blue-water navy. This isn't to minimize it, as it certainly is concerning to Taiwan, South Korea and Japan, but beyond the China Seas, the Pacific is still an American lake.
    Second, there has been a focus on "asymetrical" capabilities. The best example of this is probably the anti-satellite operation, but some of the RAND stuff i've been reading suggests a similar effort towards anti-navy asymetrical capability,
    Third, the economic interdependence between the US and China suggests that China doesn't want to upset the applecart anytime soon.
    Fourth, the economic leverage they hold against the US is probably a sufficient deterrent against any American policy that gets too assertive in the region.
    Finally, the Navy and Air Force need some sort of justification for procurement of new multi-million dollar platforms such as submarines, blue-water surface ships and fighters, especially when there are two wars going on against technologically inferior foes.

    So, while we should keep a watchful eye on the force structure and size that China is developing, I think we also need to keep some perspective on it.
     
  12. Xenocrates

    Xenocrates Deity

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2005
    Messages:
    2,378
    Location:
    Liverpool
    country-distribution-2006.png

    Nice pie chart. MMMMM pie....

    For those of you that don't read pie, the large wedge on the right represents US military spending in 2006. One of the tiny wedges on the left represents Chinese military spending in the same year. Also, bear in mind that the Chinese military was semi-obsolete recently (and largely still is), whereas the US has consistently upgraded over the years.

    Obviously there could be some error in the calculations (maybe nuke budgets excluded), but that goes for every country, including the US.

    But then again, plastic bottles of water can really sting if thrown correctly......
     
  13. Maneck21

    Maneck21 Chieftain

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2008
    Messages:
    65
    Before long China will have giant railguns, burst missile capable subs, giant flying aircraft carriers/missile launchers, laser cannons, and bunchs of nukes all launched from one island with a cool name. But, one American pilot will blow all of these things up with his 200 missiles. :joke:

    ha, three jokes, a new new record
     
  14. sonorakitch

    sonorakitch Overseas hunter

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2001
    Messages:
    2,766
    Location:
    Phoenix AZ when I'm home
    Great post.

    I don't understand the concern over China. At best, they seek to be a regional power in East Asia. China won't push the button over Taiwan in my lifetime, and they won't support N. Korea to the point of conflict with the south. The economic interdependence between the west and China will assure no bloody wars will be fought anytime soon.

    The only concern the US and the west should harbor for China is the battle over resources. China is playing it smart; staying out of major conflicts and quietely building coalitions around the world. This is the war we should be fighting.

    ~Chris
     
  15. Fifty

    Fifty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2004
    Messages:
    10,649
    Location:
    an ecovillage in madagascar
    Don't you guys see what is happening?!

    They are poisoning us with shoddy merchandise, waiting and watching as we all become fat and sick. But they realize that not everybody is going to get fat and sick... there are certain people who will carefully monitor their health and make sure that they are in peak physical condition... these people are called Olympic athletes and they are the only barrier between us and a Chinese invasion. As soon as all our athletes are gone off in Beijing they're going to strike... don't say I didn't warn you!
     
  16. Maneck21

    Maneck21 Chieftain

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2008
    Messages:
    65
    Plus they have super weapons and we don't! We will be pushed all the way to long island before we can mount a huge counterstrike and take back L.A. Of course we will do it with an epic orchestral piece in the backround. But the suicidal Chinese will try to blow up the world with a giant railgun, and we need to fly inside it to blow it up. Then everyone will live happily ever after. Until two more nations pop up out of nowhere and start killing eachother.
     
  17. Angry Ninja

    Angry Ninja Chieftain

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2008
    Messages:
    41
    China's navy is comparable to a bunch of tin cans tied together with some hemp rope with some mounted AK-47s on the decks of the ships, compared to the USA's 11 Aircraft Carriers and support vessels.

    Unless China's Army can walk on water, I'm doubting that China will EVER be able to invade the US in the near future.

    Not that they have any reason to, anyway.
     
  18. Tee Kay

    Tee Kay Silly furry

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2005
    Messages:
    22,055
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Melbourne
    Maybe the headline should say: Global rapid military buildup troubling.
     
  19. RedRalph

    RedRalph Deity

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2007
    Messages:
    20,708
    WFT are people tlaking about China invading the US for? Furkin fantasy stuff.... join the real world. and Russia being worried? China attacked either Russia or the US it wouldnt exist within a few hours. Get real
     
  20. plarq

    plarq Crazy forever

    Joined:
    May 16, 2004
    Messages:
    6,164
    Location:
    None of the above
    Get real.

    China may not even win against Taiwan.
     

Share This Page