Cities acting like units!

Gerikes · Sep 6, 2006

Civkid1991 said:
I also need to find out how to add in fuel... the tiles are supposed to produce fuel and fuel can be gained with resources and special units. keal told me about a mod that has magic as a plot yeild but i haven't look through it yet.

This will effect whither or not the city can move. I'm also considering removing culture (if thats not to hard) and replaceing fuel yeild in the place were culture was displayed.

For the saving... would it be best to save it into an array or dictionary using python or should make a log that "saves" the stuff and recalls it later(would this work?)

If you want to save things to a specific plot, I'd suggest you take a look at sdToolkit.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=146130&highlight=sdToolkit

It allows you to save values to specific plots, so you don't need to make a huge data structure to save all the individual plot values in.

Not sure how the fuel would work exactly, but I would imagine you would be having a limited amount on each plot that the city uses up when it moves onto/off of it? If so, sdToolkit is probably your best bet. If you need fuel to be "regained", you'd probably do something so that at the end of each turn, you go to every plot and add a bit to that plot's amount.

The sdToolkit allows you to store all that into the plot's script data, meaning it will be stored with game saves as well. And, it allows you to add information to plots / units / cities etc. without having to do anything in the SDK.

Civkid1991 · Sep 6, 2006

Cool thanks :goodjob:

... this would be helpfull. (It works for gp points, commerce, gold, an stuff like that too right?)

Gerikes · Sep 6, 2006

Civkid1991 said:
Cool thanks ... this would be helpfull. (It works for gp points, commerce, gold, an stuff like that too right?)

Well, the idea isn't that it changes stuff already in the game, rather it allows you to add new items. If you want to change how the stuff in the game already works, you'll probably need to be editting the SDK.

Civkid1991 · Sep 6, 2006

Gerikes said:
Well, the idea isn't that it changes stuff already in the game, rather it allows you to add new items. If you want to change how the stuff in the game already works, you'll probably need to be editting the SDK.

Hmmm... maybe i misunderstude what you where saying... sd toolkit saves the plot location and other data into a file for the game. An as long as they're predefined in the sdk (i think) then i can save the values and then recall them after the city is destroyed...

Gerikes · Sep 6, 2006

Civkid1991 said:
Hmmm... maybe i misunderstude what you where saying... sd toolkit saves the plot location and other data into a file for the game. An as long as they're predefined in the sdk (i think) then i can save the values and then recall them after the city is destroyed...

Yup, you do misunderstand me

For each unit, city, and plot, there is a variable called the script data. This is just a string that is supposed to be used for people who want to put some sort of data into the unit, but don't want to mod the SDK.

What sdToolkit does is allows you to easily create multiple different kinds of data variables, then it converts those into strings and places them into the script data. It has nothing to do with any of the pre-existing data of the plot (the X, Y, improvements, etc.). It allows you to store new data that you are making up.

Say you are using it on a plot to store how many fuel "resources" there are there. At the beginning of the game you can go to each plot and add to it an integer variable for how many resources are there by default. Then, perhaps every turn, you go to every plot, and just change this value.

You're not changing anything to do with the normal values that the plot object contains, you're just making your own piece of data that stays attached to that plot.

If you were to make data and attach it to a city, it stays with the city object. If the city is destroyed, then the data is destroyed.

The other way of doing what the toolkit allows you to do is:

1.) Modify the sdk and make new variables for each new piece of data you want to add to the city (or plot, or unit, etc.), or
2.) Make a whole new data type in python and have it store all the values for all the plot (unit, city...) within it (probably a dictionary). Whenever you want the value, you search the dictionary for your object (iX and iY value for a plot would probably be the key).

Civkid1991 · Sep 6, 2006

Ok... i understand.

I'll probably end up using the sd toolkit for the fuel and then a dictionary for the data saving...

Code:

def SaveCityData(data):
       cityData = {
             FUEL_AMOUNT   : fuel,
             CITY_BUILDINGS: buildings,
             CITY_PRODUCTION: Production
             ...
        }
...

Something similar to that (that was psudo-code) ill just define the function add call it to save the data in an dictionary... then kill the city... then reload the data.

Civkid1991 · Sep 7, 2006

first post has been updated...

thomas.berubeg · Sep 8, 2006

are you going to have the "doomsday" weapons? (Odin, Medusa, maybe invent a few)

Civkid1991 · Sep 10, 2006

well i was thinking about it and ill deside in the later version... but for the first release im going to say no..

Im thinking of doing a scenario for the mod to that would be semi-Rpg-ish that would follow the story... it may include medusa. But for right now im still thinking about it.

Civkid1991 · Sep 10, 2006

@Gerikes

I played your mod over the week end and i thought it was really helpful. I need to dl the source (have you released it yet?) and then see how it works. I like how you added in mineral, gas, and pop as a resource (?). And i also like the way you changed combate... that would also be helpful with city combat. :goodjob:

Great Job

Civkid1991 · Sep 13, 2006

New graphics by Chamaedrys. Includes the traction city and the airship

matteo773 · Sep 15, 2006

You must tell me if I can help, I wanted to start this mod a couple of months back but there was no interest. Unfortunately I lack in civ 4 modding skills (something I hope to change soon) but I've got lots of ideas if you need any.

Civkid1991 · Sep 18, 2006

cool... i've been really bussy currently so i have a small bit of time every week after homework to program. It would be nice if you could do a bit of reseach on some of the cities and pm/email them to me along with any ideas you may have (actually ideas would be good for the forum

).

Look at my sig for the link to the python tutorial and im sure you could find a lot of stuff on other modding stuff at the civ4/civ4mod wiki.

ps. sorry for answering so late -> my internet was down for a bit

matteo773 · Sep 20, 2006

cool... i've been really bussy currently so i have a small bit of time every week after homework to program. It would be nice if you could do a bit of reseach on some of the cities and pm/email them to me along with any ideas you may have (actually ideas would be good for the forum ).

Well research I can do

and I'm certainly not short on ideas

. But I feel some of them would change your mod too much ( I was planning on setting the story in the anti-tractionist - tractionist war :sad:

). So I'll suggest some of my more realistic and useful ideas

.

And as for the modding I could learn but I wouldn't hold your breath; as I'm certainly not a programmer :rolleyes:

.

PS. Sorry for my late reply, the amounts of homework I've been getting recently is a joke.

Civkid1991 · Sep 20, 2006

Cool that would be helpfull...

matteo773 said:
And as for the modding I could learn but I wouldn't hold your breath; as I'm certainly not a programmer.

programming isn't really as hard as it seems... its learning how to use the sdk, thats not as easy. But once you learn it then you should be able to easily mod the code. If your doing stuff with python its even more easier. look at my sig for a good tutorial for python.

PS. Sorry for my late reply, the amounts of homework I've been getting recently is a joke.

sorry for what reply??? :hmm:

BTW... im going to update the first page today with the new city graphics

Psycadelic_Magi · Sep 21, 2006

London is not the only english city!
Manchester, Brighton, Grimsby, Wolverinehampton (wolverhampton) and Tunbridge wheels (tunbridge wells) are all places in england

By the way, Manchester is supposed to be the biggest traction city in the world

Civkid1991 · Sep 21, 2006

Psycadelic_Magi said:
London is not the only english city!
Manchester, Brighton, Grimsby, Wolverinehampton (wolverhampton) and Tunbridge wheels (tunbridge wells) are all places in england

By the way, Manchester is supposed to be the biggest traction city in the world

O yea... i know that know. After i did a bit of research (like not enough to do any stories or anything) i found out some of the nationalities of the cities.

Most are english and german but there is one egytian, one islandic, and one (or maybe it was two) from russia.

I don't think im goin do the traction suburbs...

Civkid1991 · Sep 30, 2006

ok i have time to do a bit of modding at the moment and i think i need help with some of the xml:

Code:

<UnitArtInfo>
			<Type>ART_DEF_UNIT_CITY_TRACTION</Type>
			<fScale>0.8</fScale>
			<fInterfaceScale>1.0</fInterfaceScale>
			<NIF>Art/Units/tractioncity_land/traction_city.nif</NIF>
			<KFM>Art/Units/tractioncity_land/ </KFM> <!-- what do i put here? -->
			<SHADERNIF>Art/Units/Explorer/Explorer_FX.nif</SHADERNIF> 
			<ShadowDef>
				<ShadowNIF>Art/Units/01_UnitShadows/UnitShadow.nif</ShadowNIF>
				<ShadowAttachNode>BIP Pelvis</ShadowAttachNode>
				<fShadowScale>1.0</fShadowScale>
			</ShadowDef>
			<fBattleDistance>0.35</fBattleDistance>
			<fRangedDeathTime>0.31</fRangedDeathTime>
			<bActAsRanged>0</bActAsRanged>
			<TrainSound>AS2D_UNIT_BUILD_UNIT</TrainSound>
			<AudioRunSounds>
				<AudioRunTypeLoop/>
				<AudioRunTypeEnd/>
			</AudioRunSounds>
		</UnitArtInfo>

I copyed the explore art difine and was editing it so it would be the traction city art... but i don't know what most of these do. For the art i have 1 nif files, 9 TGA files, and 1 blender file. I don't know where to put these too.

Chamaedrys · Oct 1, 2006

A blender file? Oops! You wont need it. :blush:

I sugguest to copy the entry of the mech. Inf. cause I compare and animate my model with that file, so you'll have to make less changes here.

The fscale determins the size of the unit in the game.
The finterfacescale the size in the civilopedia. I think it could be reduced a bit.

the <NIF> and <SHADERNIF> tag should point to the .nif file.

this looks good:

<NIF>Art/Units/tractioncity_land/traction_city.nif</NIF>

The <KFM> tag should point at the .kfm file (animations) of the unit. The traction city uses Mech. Inf. animations. If you have copied the entry of the mech. Inf, it can stay as it is, otherwise copy n paste this tag from the mech inf. entry.

The .tga files store the texture of the unit. Keep them in the same folder as the .nif file. DON'T RENAME THE TGA.

happy modding

Chamaedrys

Civkid1991 · Oct 11, 2006

ok i finaly tried what you said above today and i got these errors:

Trackback(most resent call last)

file ' CvScreensInterface', line 520, in leftMouseDown
File 'CvWorldBuilderScreen', line 221, in leftMouseDown
File 'cvWorldBuilderScreen', line 507, in placeObject

RuntimeError unidentifiable C++ exeption

Heres the code i put in the xml for the units:

Spoiler CIV4UnitInfos.xm. :

Code:

		<UnitInfo>
			<Class>UNITCLASS_TRACTION_CITY</Class>
			<Type>UNIT_TRACTION_CITY</Type>
			<UniqueNames></UniqueNames>
			<Special>NONE</Special>
			<Capture>NONE</Capture>
			<Combat>UNITCOMBAT_ARMOR</Combat>
			<Domain>DOMAIN_LAND</Domain>
			<DefaultUnitAI>UNITAI_ATTACK</DefaultUnitAI>
			<Invisible>NONE</Invisible>
			<SeeInvisible>NONE</SeeInvisible>
			<Description>TXT_KEY_UNIT_GREAT_ENGINEER</Description>
			<Civilopedia>TXT_KEY_CONCEPT_GREAT_PEOPLE_PEDIA</Civilopedia>
			<Strategy>TXT_KEY_UNIT_GREAT_ENGINEER_STRATEGY</Strategy>
			<Advisor>ADVISOR_GROWTH</Advisor>
			<bAnimal>0</bAnimal>
			<bFood>0</bFood>
			<bNoBadGoodies>0</bNoBadGoodies>
			<bOnlyDefensive>0</bOnlyDefensive>
			<bNoCapture>0</bNoCapture>
			<bRivalTerritory>0</bRivalTerritory>
			<bMilitaryHappiness>0</bMilitaryHappiness>
			<bMilitarySupport>0</bMilitarySupport>
			<bMilitaryProduction>0</bMilitaryProduction>
			<bPillage>0</bPillage>
			<bSabotage>0</bSabotage>
			<bDestroy>0</bDestroy>
			<bStealPlans>0</bStealPlans>
			<bInvestigate>0</bInvestigate>
			<bCounterSpy>0</bCounterSpy>
			<bFound>0</bFound>
			<bGoldenAge>1</bGoldenAge>
			<bInvisible>0</bInvisible>
			<bFirstStrikeImmune>0</bFirstStrikeImmune>
			<bNoDefensiveBonus>0</bNoDefensiveBonus>
			<bIgnoreBuildingDefense>0</bIgnoreBuildingDefense>
			<bCanMoveImpassable>0</bCanMoveImpassable>
			<bFlatMovementCost>0</bFlatMovementCost>
			<bIgnoreTerrainCost>0</bIgnoreTerrainCost>
			<bNukeImmune>0</bNukeImmune>
			<bPrereqBonuses>0</bPrereqBonuses>
			<bPrereqReligion>0</bPrereqReligion>
			<bMechanized>0</bMechanized>
			<UnitClassUpgrades/>
			<UnitAIs></UnitAIs>
			<NotUnitAIs/>
			<Builds/>
			<ReligionSpreads/>
			<GreatPeoples></GreatPeoples>
			<Buildings/>
			<ForceBuildings/>
			<HolyCity>NONE</HolyCity>
			<ReligionType>NONE</ReligionType>
			<StateReligion>NONE</StateReligion>
			<PrereqReligion>NONE</PrereqReligion>
			<PrereqBuilding>NONE</PrereqBuilding>
			<PrereqTech>NONE</PrereqTech>
			<TechTypes/>
			<BonusType>NONE</BonusType>
			<PrereqBonuses/>
			<ProductionTraits/>
			<Flavors></Flavors>
			<iAIWeight>0</iAIWeight>
			<iCost>-1</iCost>
			<iHurryCostModifier>0</iHurryCostModifier>
			<iMinAreaSize>-1</iMinAreaSize>
			<iMoves>2</iMoves>
			<iAirRange>0</iAirRange>
			<iNukeRange>-1</iNukeRange>
			<iWorkRate>0</iWorkRate>
			<iBaseDiscover>1000</iBaseDiscover>
			<iDiscoverMultiplier>2</iDiscoverMultiplier>
			<iBaseHurry>500</iBaseHurry>
			<iHurryMultiplier>20</iHurryMultiplier>
			<iBaseTrade>0</iBaseTrade>
			<iTradeMultiplier>0</iTradeMultiplier>
			<iGreatWorkCulture>0</iGreatWorkCulture>
			<TerrainImpassables/>
			<FeatureImpassables/>
			<iCombat>0</iCombat>
			<iAirCombat>0</iAirCombat>
			<iAirCombatLimit>0</iAirCombatLimit>
			<iXPValueAttack>0</iXPValueAttack>
			<iXPValueDefense>0</iXPValueDefense>
			<iFirstStrikes>0</iFirstStrikes>
			<iChanceFirstStrikes>0</iChanceFirstStrikes>
			<iInterceptionProbability>0</iInterceptionProbability>
			<iEvasionProbability>0</iEvasionProbability>
			<iWithdrawalProb>0</iWithdrawalProb>
			<iCollateralDamage>0</iCollateralDamage>
			<iCollateralDamageLimit>0</iCollateralDamageLimit>
			<iCollateralDamageMaxUnits>0</iCollateralDamageMaxUnits>
			<iCityAttack>0</iCityAttack>
			<iCityDefense>0</iCityDefense>
			<iAnimalCombat>0</iAnimalCombat>
			<iHillsDefense>0</iHillsDefense>
			<TerrainNatives/>
			<FeatureNatives/>
			<TerrainDefenses/>
			<FeatureDefenses/>
			<UnitClassAttackMods/>
			<UnitClassDefenseMods/>
			<UnitCombatMods/>
			<DomainMods/>
			<BonusProductionModifiers/>
			<iBombRate>0</iBombRate>
			<iBombardRate>0</iBombardRate>
			<SpecialCargo>NONE</SpecialCargo>
			<DomainCargo>NONE</DomainCargo>
			<iCargo>0</iCargo>
			<iConscription>0</iConscription>
			<iCultureGarrison>0</iCultureGarrison>
			<iExtraCost>0</iExtraCost>
			<iAsset>1</iAsset>
			<iPower>0</iPower>
			<UnitMeshGroups>
				<iGroupSize>1</iGroupSize>
				<fMaxSpeed>1.25</fMaxSpeed>
				<iMeleeWaveSize>1</iMeleeWaveSize>
				<iRangedWaveSize>1</iRangedWaveSize>
				<UnitMeshGroup>
					<iRequired>1</iRequired>
					<EarlyArtDefineTag>ART_DEF_UNIT_TRACTIONCITY</EarlyArtDefineTag>
				</UnitMeshGroup>
			</UnitMeshGroups>
			<Button>,Art/Interface/Buttons/Units/GreatEngineer.dds,Art/Interface/Buttons/Unit_Resource_Atlas.dds,2,8</Button>
			<HotKey/>
			<bAltDown>0</bAltDown>
			<bShiftDown>0</bShiftDown>
			<bCtrlDown>0</bCtrlDown>
			<iHotKeyPriority>0</iHotKeyPriority>
			<FreePromotions/>
		</UnitInfo>

Spoiler CIV4ArtDefines_Units.xml :

Thanks for any help

~Civkid~

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