Some experience from an early era in my game. Standard speed Immortal Small Pangaea as usual. Yes, cities are harder to take but certainly still possible at least when it is early. This from turns in the 70's to 80 out of 500. Bursa was strength 7 and it fell and Edirne was strength 8 and it also fell to my 3CC, 1 archer (scout upgrade) a gifted chariot along with a GG. It took two turns of attacking to take each city, but for Bursa, only bcuz I attacked it before my newly created CC was on site. Pre patch, both cities would have fallen during the initial attack wave. The healing between turns was more, but certainly not all that much. From what I am reading here I am going to experience far more difficulties taking cities with walls later on. Also Sully has had some defensive units around, so I had to slaughter them as well, Swordsmen, Archers, Warriors and there've been a few barbs bothering him more than me on that front. In summary, at least from my experiences early game here, early cities are harder to take, but not outragiously so, however, I am aided by having strength 12 CC's rather than strength 10 horsemen. Later I'll post more about what will hopefully be success vs his 11 strength capital after I heal a couple of turns. EDIT: OK taking his strength 11 capital with this force took 3 turns, although he had some a couple defensive units to deal with. It also took 3 turns with 3 CC a Chariot and a GG to take his rebuilt 11 strength city and his 8 strength city almost fell after 1 turn. Sully is gone and I have what has to be 40% of the world to myself with a large bulb of the Pangaea and only a 1 tile choke point to get to me..ie death for an AI that tries. It is turn 132 now and I've moved a big army near Ghandi and Wu and will play the game from here a few times to see what I can do by attacking their stronger cities and report back in a new post tomorrow. It is probably easier for me to win this game just by making new cities in my land while not getting too unhappy and allying with several more CS, but I want to see what happens trying to take stronger cities with my cats/CC/Chariots and X-bows. I suspect that while it would be trivial to blow Ghandi of the board post patch (weaker than Wu) I may find that I can barely harm his cities now. .. neilkaz ..