donsig
Low level intermediary
I have vetoed the proposed Amendment 1 (turn chat threads).
The Council vote on the amendment is here.
I invite citizen response to and discussion concerning the veto.
My veto message can be found in the thread linked to above but I will reproduce it here:
According to article 2 of section L, this measure has passed the council vote since it has now received six affirmative votes out of a possible eight.
I hereby veto this measure and now set forth my reasons for doing so.
While I am in general agreement with the proposed turn chat threads I do not feel that rules governing said threads should be incorporated into the constitution. The constitution should be reserved for general principles regarding the play and organization of the democracy game. Rules concerning the organization of specific threads should be codified in an entirely different document. Whether this document will be *laws* or *regulations* (or both) is something that must still be worked out. Since the constitution should be a difficult thing to change and the organization of a specific thread should be any easy thing to change this amendment does not belong in the constitution.
As stated earlier I am in general agreement with the principle outlined in this proposed amendment and I do plan to adhere to the proposal as best as I can without restricting the flexibility for improvement that may be needed. I have a few specific reccomendations for improvement:
The threads should be named *Turn chat [starting game year], [real time date]
The first post should include the summary from the previous turn chat and/or a link to the previous turn chat thread.
The last post should contain a link to the next turn chat thread.
the turn chat thread should contain saves (or links to saves) for the initial save used during the turn chat, the end of turn 0, the end of turn 5 and the final save from the turn chat.
These suggestions are mainly meant as additions to what is already in the proposal, with the exception of the saves. Rather than saving over the older saves I think it is best to use the new file upload system. This would leave all inter-turn chat saves available to the public which could be valuable in case of public investigations.
If this proposal was made a part of the constitution then implementing these suggestions or any others for that matter would require citizen discussion, a citizen poll and a council vote. By the time this process would be completed a number of turn chats would already have come and gone. I recommend that this proposal (with the suggested changes) be incorporated into a document of regulations which would be easier to change than the constitution.
The Council vote on the amendment is here.
I invite citizen response to and discussion concerning the veto.
My veto message can be found in the thread linked to above but I will reproduce it here:
According to article 2 of section L, this measure has passed the council vote since it has now received six affirmative votes out of a possible eight.
I hereby veto this measure and now set forth my reasons for doing so.
While I am in general agreement with the proposed turn chat threads I do not feel that rules governing said threads should be incorporated into the constitution. The constitution should be reserved for general principles regarding the play and organization of the democracy game. Rules concerning the organization of specific threads should be codified in an entirely different document. Whether this document will be *laws* or *regulations* (or both) is something that must still be worked out. Since the constitution should be a difficult thing to change and the organization of a specific thread should be any easy thing to change this amendment does not belong in the constitution.
As stated earlier I am in general agreement with the principle outlined in this proposed amendment and I do plan to adhere to the proposal as best as I can without restricting the flexibility for improvement that may be needed. I have a few specific reccomendations for improvement:
The threads should be named *Turn chat [starting game year], [real time date]
The first post should include the summary from the previous turn chat and/or a link to the previous turn chat thread.
The last post should contain a link to the next turn chat thread.
the turn chat thread should contain saves (or links to saves) for the initial save used during the turn chat, the end of turn 0, the end of turn 5 and the final save from the turn chat.
These suggestions are mainly meant as additions to what is already in the proposal, with the exception of the saves. Rather than saving over the older saves I think it is best to use the new file upload system. This would leave all inter-turn chat saves available to the public which could be valuable in case of public investigations.
If this proposal was made a part of the constitution then implementing these suggestions or any others for that matter would require citizen discussion, a citizen poll and a council vote. By the time this process would be completed a number of turn chats would already have come and gone. I recommend that this proposal (with the suggested changes) be incorporated into a document of regulations which would be easier to change than the constitution.