Citizens Group: Tradationalists

[Black_Hole]

I would suggest a non judiciary member to open a discussion on ways we need to change article C - E. Mostly to balance the departments....

 

[GenMarshall]

Are there any plans to restore the old government system since I have the feeling that some offices have lost their powers or significantly reduced.

Personaly, I dont know why some powers have been striped from each government and molded into a different government department. I do wish that we return the powers that were once held in their respected offices. (IE FAs just deals with FAs, Military deals with war planing, Culture deals with Culture, etc.)

In reading the consitution, apperently both departments (Commander of Armed Forces and Exsternal Affairs) both share the same responsibilities in regards to war plans (IE. drawing up route maps for units to use). This is the only example I can think of ATM at 3:21 AM EDT .

 

[DaveShack]

Are there any plans to restore the old government system since I have the feeling that some offices have lost their powers or significantly reduced.

Personaly, I dont know why some powers have been striped from each government and molded into a different government department. I do wish that we return the powers that were once held in their respected offices. (IE FAs just deals with FAs, Military deals with war planing, Culture deals with Culture, etc.)

In reading the consitution, apperently both departments (Commander of Armed Forces and Exsternal Affairs) both share the same responsibilities in regards to war plans (IE. drawing up route maps for units to use). This is the only example I can think of ATM at 3:21 AM EDT .

How it should work is External answers the who and what questions -- who to hit and high level objectives. The Commander is supposed to have complete freedom on how to meet those objectives.

 

[LeeT911]

I think it's just the wording in the Constitution. As I see it, the External Consul decides on objectives, and the Commander is in charge of reaching those objectives. For example, the External Consul could say that our objective is to capture Amsterdam, and then the Commander would go about planning troop movements and logistics. I don't think External is supposed to be drawing up actual battle plans.

 

[GenMarshall]

Members of the Tradationalists Citizens Group.

A poll has been recently posted (Thank goodness its an unoffical/survey one) that would threaten the turnchats. We must unite together to push against the Turnchat Privitation which would lead to Disenfranchising, Alienation and, de-democratization of the Demogame. I urge members of the Traditionaists whom have not voted, to vote no on this measure.

Please visit the link that is posted in my signature entitled, "Vote No! for Turnchat Privitation".

 

[GenMarshall]

How it should work is External answers the who and what questions -- who to hit and high level objectives. The Commander is supposed to have complete freedom on how to meet those objectives.

Not realy, since I see them as a restrictive way to keep the powers away from the Military Department. I remembered back in previous demogame that the Military Department was free to set the objectives, not the FAs.

 

[Nobody]

Not realy, since I see them as a restrictive way to keep the powers away from the Military Department. I remembered back in previous demogame that the Military Department was free to set the objectives, not the FAs.

if i had been elected this is the way i was planing to do things

 

[Nobody]

Things don't seem to be getting anywhere towards bring back a more traditional system. drastic action is needed

 

[GenMarshall]

Things don't seem to be getting anywhere towards bring back a more traditional system. drastic action is needed

Pashent young grasshopper. No need to rush things.

 

[DaveShack]

Not realy, since I see them as a restrictive way to keep the powers away from the Military Department. I remembered back in previous demogame that the Military Department was free to set the objectives, not the FAs.

I remember a previous demogame where an entire term was pretty much a two person show, the Military Leader and the President. But that's not the reason for the current work division, the Commander's role is supposed to have more freedom than it currently does. Maybe if the External Consul's needs were anticipated (like opening a Dutch war thread to talk about what can be done with our current troops and what troops we need) then the Commander's role wouldn't feel so threatened.

 

[Provolution]

Right now I feel like the San Francisco Cop "Dirty Harry", and I am sick and tired of the bureaucracy, double standards and empty talk at the City Hall.

 

[DaveShack]

Right now I feel like the San Francisco Cop "Dirty Harry", and I am sick and tired of the bureaucracy, double standards and empty talk at the City Hall.

Don't see any double standards here, so don't know what you're referring to. No offense intended to anyone who has posted here, but this entire thread is empty talk in the context of actually playing the game -- but it is every citizen's right to have free speech within the forum rules, something I will defend to my dying breath.

 

[mad-bax]

I think things work OK. I think that the failings we have seen are mainly failings in individuals (particularly myself), rather than constitution. Going back to something we have already voted to leave behind is something I find difficult to understand.

For me, just a few tweaks to balance up workload between jobs, and one or two fewer offices (Because the participating citizens have trouble filling all the jobs) and it would be fine. Also this game is only 100 early turns old. Once the game gets bigger and there is more to do then things will change. I am pretty much happy to stick with the current system. Perfect it's not, but then nor is any other system that has been either tried or advocated.

Personally I find the increasingly vitriolic attacks on certain individuals and groups of individuals rather sickening. This is the only thread in the entire DG forum I don't read. I read it today to see if anything had changed. But it hasn't has it? And it won't, will it?

 

[Provolution]

Don't see any double standards here, so don't know what you're referring to. No offense intended to anyone who has posted here, but this entire thread is empty talk in the context of actually playing the game -- but it is every citizen's right to have free speech within the forum rules, something I will defend to my dying breath.

There is no fight here, no violation of citizens rights, no drama, no need to declare a valiant struggle to "a dying breath". I merely stated my disaffection with the punctuated and futile, not to mention the watered and obstacled constitutional reform debate which is polarized, has no progress, no constructivity and no production of tangible results. Only polarities seem to be accepted truisms, and as "Dirty Harry" I am leaving the SF Police to its politically correct devices and playing snooker and drinking beer at the local pub.

I just observe a general apathy and disaffection, and a general depopulation.
Someone just won the war, but lost the peace, with no subjects to rule.

 

[Nobody]

I remember a previous demogame where an entire term was pretty much a two person show, the Military Leader and the President. But that's not the reason for the current work division, the Commander's role is supposed to have more freedom than it currently does. Maybe if the External Consul's needs were anticipated (like opening a Dutch war thread to talk about what can be done with our current troops and what troops we need) then the Commander's role wouldn't feel so threatened.

The Commander should just plan for any eventuality, and carry out the policy of the External console. They should be relativly non-political in the way they carry it out. Just lobbying governors for units. I think the External console should be given the power to actually carry out all foreign affairs and in exchange for this trade can be given to commerce.

 

[Nobody]

This is the only thread in the entire DG forum I don't read. I read it today to see if anything had changed. But it hasn't has it? And it won't, will it?

its not called the Tradationalists for nothing

 

[BCLG100]

I'll join even though I've skipped most of what Strider posted

phew i wasnt the only one, yer ill join sounds like fun.

 

[GenMarshall]

Do I have the feeling that the people who are still devout traditionalists are becoming the silent minority? (When I mean by devout traditionalists, I refer to the members who adhear to the values of the traditionalits such as the old demogame consitution and keeping the TCs public)

 

[Nobody]

atleast there is now reforms happening, the laws are starting to change. although i would like a return to a older style of goverment. I would be happy if the offices of the current form were to made better. also if we were to ever get political partys Tradtionlists and Alternatives would be cool partys.

 

[GenMarshall]

atleast there is now reforms happening, the laws are starting to change. although i would like a return to a older style of goverment. I would be happy if the offices of the current form were to made better. also if we were to ever get political partys Tradtionlists and Alternatives would be cool partys.

I come to wonder what Major US parties would each DG political party would represent.

My guess as follows:
Tradtionalits: Republicans
Alternatives: Democrats