Obviously the patch had some pretty big changes, but one of the hardest ones for me to understand was the city spacing requirements. Whereas I agree maybe 3 tiles would be a smart move, 4 is just ridiculous. For a direct example, I played a MP continents game last night on Small. I founded my first city where it was placed when the game started. There was another player on the island as well, and 2 CSs. Well that guy and I knew we'd be battling for this land so we each spread our first city towards each other and *boom* that was it. The width of the island didn't allow ANYWHERE else to build because of the city-states and the placement of our first cities. So there was easily enough room for 4, maybe even 5 or 6 cities that would be healthy, valid cities, but we were forced into war because they would be too close. The next game I played was Pangaea on Standard size. I'm growing like normal and have 2 great 3rd and 4th city placements picked and *boom* Ghandi drops a city right between my spots. Now not only can I not build either one of those cities, but I am stuck with nowhere else to expand and ultimately am forced into warmongering. The moral of the story is this: 4 tiles is just too far. 2 tiles was too close, yes, but 4 is way too far. WHY wouldn't they test 3 tiles first? This is my biggest gripe, and no it is NOT about ICSing so don't even try to go that route. This is about losing a very valid way of placing cities (especially non-coastal ones) that made sense. If this 'rule' were true in life, let's see which cities would never exist... let's even say with a minimum of a three hundred thousand citizens inside the city limits and only in the USA... (since every huge city in Europe is surrounded by other big cities!) 3 Tile equivalent (so 3 tiles between cities like is required): TOO MANY TO COUNT! 2 Tile equivalent (so 2 tiles between cities): Washington DC / Baltimore San Francisco/San Jose Seattle/Tacoma Orlando/Tampa New Orleans/Baton Rouge 1 Tile equivalent (so 1 tile between cities): Dallas/Ft.Worth Minneapolis/St.Paul Raleigh/Durham Phoenix/Scottsdale Los Angeles/Long Beach/Santa Ana THE POINT: 4 TILES IS STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!